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.. there are some really good ideas there Drone and Cav.
I would add, the bookies should pay tax on the money generated from turnover in this country and should not be allowed to use tax havens to dodge paying the levy.
Individuals aren’t allowed to tax dodge, I don’t see why there should be one law for us and one for them.
I would add, the bookies should pay tax on the money generated from turnover in this country and should not be allowed to use tax havens to dodge paying the levy.
Individuals aren’t allowed to tax dodge, I don’t see why there should be one law for us and one for them.
That’s an interesting point, Dave. Why don’t bookies currently pay tax on their earnings? (A genuine question, I am far from an expert). Is it because they contribute to the Levy or is there another reason?
For the extent to which I have contributed to this thread’s drift away from the initial question, I apologise.
Certainly no problem here AH, lovely prose from the pair of you and a joy to read.
I’m doing no more than taking matters too seriously due to having entered the depressive phase coincident with the belief that a long-time-love has become terminally ill, though hopes do still flicker that a remedy will be discovered by those granted the privilege of caring for the dear old girl. Aided by a little help from her legion of friends.
CR’s idea of Saturday scratchcards are certainly at least a tonic, good idea indeed.
"I suppose you might say that all’s well that ends well."
"Very apt, sir."
"All the same, your methods are a bit rough, Jeeves"
"One cannot make an omelette without breaking eggs, sir"
"Omelette! Do you think you could get me one?"
"Certainly, sir"
"Together with half a bot of something?"
"Undoubtedly, sir"
"Do so, Jeeves, and with all speed"Bettingboy, we have crossed the foothills of boredom and are now hiking up Mount Tedium. But for what it’s worth and with one more apology to the readers of this interminable thread, I will respond.
I have no ethical framework. I have no moral framework. Your advert repelled me in the same way that a picture of a plate of steaming cabbage would. My response was a natural one, a gut reaction, made entirely without recourse to any moral or ethical framework. I can explain it no more simply than that.
In attempting to elaborate more fully my reaction, I sought labels with which to better explain why I found it repellent. Misogyny was one; chauvinist might have been another, perhaps better description. But fundamentally, my reaction was instinctive. I cannot explain it any more simply than that. Something about it struck me as repellent and I said so. No priggishness was involved.
Now we have been gnawing away at this same bone for what seems like an eternity. You proposed an advert; I communicated my dislike of said advert. You have made it clear that you don’t like my prose style. I’m afraid there is little I can do about that. You seem determined to uphold your definition of what constitutes morality, a definition with which I obviously disagree. Little of this has anything to do with the issue under discussion.
Furthermore, you have throughout littered your posts with insults and adopted a contemptuous and aggressive tone, which is completely unnecessary. Clearly, I have offended or angered you in some way, which certainly was not my intention. I am happy to discuss this with you further via PM if you wish, but as far as I am concerned, this is a thread about the future of racing, not the arena for a futile argument or repetitive one-upmanship. Enough is enough.
I remain happy to debate the issues with you, as I am with anyone else on this forum, but on the basis of two intelligent people sharing and discussing ideas in a civilised manner.
Drone, I am sorry to hear that. Puts things into their proper perspective.
Life is perhaps too short to waste it on quarrelling.
Older readers will remember a previous attempt to attract the sort of market that would be tempted by scratch cards – the Tote Roll-Up, a series of 16 runner Saturday handicaps.
The punter was invited to nominate the fist six home – can’t remember if it had to in the correct order, but I suspect that was the case. Peter O’Sullevan was a big promoter of the bet via the BBC and his newspaper column and he ran his future Triumph Hurdle winner Attivo in several of the races over a range of distances.
I’ll check his book to see if he mentions it in there, but I do remember that the problems with non runners were numerous.
AP
er…I didn’t think a rather weak extended metaphor would be lost on you Andrew, or perhaps it wasn’t
I’m just a crazy mixed-up kid after all 
The "long-time-love" is horseracing, "those granted the privilege of looking after the old girl" the BHA, and "her legion of friends" we on TRF
Perhaps not in the best of taste admittedly but hey, who here is in a position to moralise
Cav – if the idea of a Saturday scratchcard with a racing link is your own then you deserve a big pat on the back.
Watching my dear old Mam God bless her perched on the edge of the couch whilst the lotto numbers are drawn on a Saturday night and smiling when she tells me she’s "saving" the couple of scratch cards she buys a week "’till she gets home" has long given me the belief this would be a go’er. Its a small, quick, cheap, thrill that punctuates the weekly routine.
You’ll never, ever, get this potentially huge customer base into a bookmakers but racing does small, quick, cheap thrills very well. Its an idea that marries both.
Two valuable competitive 16 runner handicaps each Saturday would be ideal.
The non runner problem could be solved by having reserves at the course on standby, their costs fully covered. Exposed horses well out of the handicap would work, their late inclusion wouldn’t upset the normal betting market to any significant degree, they’d make up the numbers for the card players, no more than that.
Runners would be treated as numbers with standard colours, greyhound style for each horse, so scratchcards could be sold all week long.
Winner/winners of the 1-2-3-4 would get a VIP day at the races the following week, the presentation of their BIG cash prize covered live by Channel 4. Smaller prizes in descending order for 1-2-3, 1-2, 1, down to a small prize for any one of your colours in the first 4, so plenty of winners to maintain interest.
Publicity to inform players how much better their chances are in comparison to playing the lottery.
Proceeds to the levy and charities both equine and non racing industry. Racing gets a whole new audience some of whom might stick around for more.
I’m sure there are plenty of issues but probably none of them insurmountable given a bit of vision, perspiration and determination.
Are you up for it Nic?
One thing which i think should be done and i have mentioned it i think a few times is that the Tote should work with Camelot to allow Tote Scoop 6 Bets and Placepots,Jackpots to be used at their terminals in shops for people who want a nice way to win some money but maybe are to nervous to use a real betting shop.
The Scoop 6 should at least be given a trial run as this could be a nice idea in the making and be a new way of tapping into the betting market.
One thing which i think should be done and i have mentioned it i think a few times is that the Tote should work with Camelot to allow Tote Scoop 6 Bets and Placepots,Jackpots to be used at their terminals in shops for people who want a nice way to win some money but maybe are to nervous to use a real betting shop.
The Scoop 6 should at least be given a trial run as this could be a nice idea in the making and be a new way of tapping into the betting market.
…… and wouldn’t it be absolutely fantastic if, the first time it rolled over £1m, it was won by a single "lucky dip" ticket?
I would laugh my head off at the thought of all the big hitters being "mugged" by some old girl with a £2 lucky dip.
Neil Watson
One thing which i think should be done and i have mentioned it i think a few times is that the Tote should work with Camelot to allow Tote Scoop 6 Bets and Placepots,Jackpots to be used at their terminals in shops for people who want a nice way to win some money but maybe are to nervous to use a real betting shop.
The Scoop 6 should at least be given a trial run as this could be a nice idea in the making and be a new way of tapping into the betting market.
Another good idea of getting racing out to the masses. I agree that a lot of people still have this idea of Betting Shops as seedy places full of ne’er do wells (my parents do anyway!). Why stop there? Why not have Tote terminals in Pubs & Bars like (and correct me if I’m wrong) I think they do in places like France?
Hughes wrote;
I have no ethical framework. I have no moral framework
(To the Judge/Rest of the forum): No further questions, your honour.
Since I had already pleaded guilty, you might have saved the taxpayer/forum member the inconvenience of a protracted trial.
No matter, I await my sentence with trepidation.
I’ll have you know, Marble, that Asda chicken nuggets are only 75% fat and a bargain at 200 for £1.
I’m just a crazy mixed-up kid after all 
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