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    Avatar photoNathan Hughes
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    I’ve backed James Garfield here at 8’s
    The race is over a mile but it’s a speed track and the tight bends favour those that are fast over a shorter trip.
    Also there is a lot in the betting that will not turn up whereas James Garfield connections have confirmed and have been training with this in mind.
    U S Navy Flag is 3’s with William Hill but will the bends play to his strengths.?

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    #1321861
    ham
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    Probably my favourite horse of the season, have followed him in every race….

    I have 16/1 and 20/1 for this as i bet him before his vintage stakes run, ill be delighted if he wins not only for myself but the horse as i really like him,but i really wish they would just keep him over 6f, this will stretch him, i wouldnt take the 8s, i dont buy into this “sharp track” meaning he will get the distance, a miles a mile, hes going to be running against some of the best 2yo milers here and i think he will get found out (hope im wrong)

    Mendelssohn at 12/1 is where my antepost money will go and ill go in again if he turns up

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    Avatar photoNathan Hughes
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    They naturally go a tad slower around a bend and they’ll be plenty of them, a lot of previous winners would be by horses who were seen as better below the mile and I think the bends do play a part in that although it’s only my own thoughts on that.
    His run at York was encouraging enough over 7f albeit he was outstayed but by a potentially very good horse. The going that day had a bit of cut in it too. I think he’ll be okay here personally with the trip.

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    Hoping Threeandfourpence goes for this because it certainly looks like he has been aimed at something. Mrs. Stockwell won this with his Brother Hit it A Bomb two years ago.

    One of the commentators at the Dewhurst mentioned he looked as if he was not ready for the race and would be better for the run. Still ran a good race just being pipped for third spot.

    Step up to a Mile and fast conditions should be absolutely perfect. Has an entry at Doncaster in the Racing Post which looks like being soft, likewise with France. Should know more this week if he is pulled out at Donny.

    Started on him @ 16’s for this, saying that the same would apply to Mendelssohn also but maybe not the step up in trip as much :unsure:

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    Three and four pence possibly heading to France next Sunday according to aiden. Mendelsohn would be my idea of the winner. What’s happening with fleet review. Never been mentioned since his cracking run behind us navy flag.

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    I’m a rarity on this forum< i fancy one of the non-O’brien horses :wacko:

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    ham
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    James garfield isnt an obrien horse judge most of my post was aimed at him winning, nathan tipped him up to begin with, i seconded that ive backed him at 16 and 20/1

    So no your not a rarity, yohr part of the majority in this thread backing non obrien runners

    a side note
    You dont seem to have latched on to the fact that ante-post it pays to follow the big guns on the flat, the best bloodlines cost the most on the flat, hence why 80/90% maybe more of antepost flat bets (especially classics) will fall onto an obrien horse thats nOt because people obsess over obrien, its because its fact that his overall ammunition far exceeds anyone elses. Thats not to take anything away from obrien its just facts.

    For someone who follows mullins antepost over jumps, you should apply the same reasoning to obrien.

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    Just my sense of humour Ham ;-)

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    I too am with James Garfield at 8/1. He just seems the perfect type for a European horse in this and hopefully the draw will be kind.

    I don’t think Ballydoyle will send U S Navy Flag and I hear Threeandfourpence is being aimed at France so I’d imagine Fleet Review and Mendelssohn could end up for them here.

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    Aidan said yesterday that US Navy Flag will be going for the Juvenile Turf, and Mendelssohn and Seahenge are being considered also. He must have been reading the discussions on this forum, he said that people are saying USNF is a small colt but that he is in fact 15 hands 3 inches high.

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    Avatar photoCharlesOlney
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    I hear O’Brien wants to keep some of his 2 year olds apart at Del Mar and therefore has given U S Navy Flag and Mendelssohn entries in the Juvenile on the dirt. I’d imagine the former will go here with the latter given a chance on the lesser surface.

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    Us Navy Flag is a tough horse however he has had two tough races in a short space of time, so I feel he can be confidently taken on here. I think the very solid MASAR offers cracking value-especially as the Appleby horses seem to be flying at the moment. :good:

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    Us Navy Flag is a tough horse however he has had two tough races in a short space of time, so I feel he can be confidently taken on here. I think the very solid MASAR offers cracking value-especially as the Appleby horses seem to be flying at the moment. :good:

    I’ve just taken the 6/1 NRNB with paddy Power on him for this

    Think he will go off shorter at the very least.

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    According to the draw US Navy Flag lines up elsewhere.

    For those interested:
    1 Mendelssohn
    2 Untamed Domain
    3 Sands of Mali
    4 Catholic Boy
    5 Beckford
    6 Masar
    7 James Garfield
    8 Voting Control
    9 Encumbered
    10 Flameaway
    11 Snapper Sinclair
    12 Hemp Hemp Hurray
    13 My Boy Jack
    14 Rajasinghe

    Ive backed Masar at 6s each way with Stan James’.

    I think James Garfield has a great chance. Good luck to those on at nice prices :good:

    #1324261
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    He does indeed go for the dirt and mendelssohn comes here, has been successfull so far antepost for myself with mendelssohn and JG

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    Us Navy Flag is a tough horse however he has had two tough races in a short space of time, so I feel he can be confidently taken on here. I think the very solid MASAR offers cracking value-especially as the Appleby horses seem to be flying at the moment. :good:

    What happened to the notion that Masar was a “Slow Tub Of Crud” Judge? :whistle:

    Thanks for the good crack. Time for me to move on. Be lucky.

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    I feel sorry for U S Navy Flag bettors but I can’t lie I was happy to see the colt diverted to the Juvenile as it makes James Garfield’s chances a whole lot better.

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