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There have always been….
– the Partisan who will defend “their side” blindly as it’s about retaining power, not right and wrong.
– those who have low expectations of those in power and write off this sort of thing.
But on the flip side there are always those who….
– have a different political allegiance and will use any perceived stick to beat the adversary with regardless of the actual scale of the perceived misconduct in pursuit of a change of government.
However, there is a cross party element to this issue.
The Pandemic killed people from families right across the political spectrum and people who obeyed the rules to the letter and didn’t say goodbye to loved ones come from across the political spectrum.
Death, like unemployment, only affects those who die and their families.
So those who are “bored” with Partygate will be a combination of the unaffected and the blindly politically loyal.
But there will be those blindly politically loyal who are now thinking they now have the wrong horse entered for The 2024 Election Stakes and there will be those unaffected but with empathy for the affected who think this is simply morally wrong.
However, the election is still over two years away and in a country I regard as naturally conservative I don’t even think it will be the determining factor come 2024.
The key will be something that affects everyone – the economy and the cost of living crisis.
That’s what will nail this Tory government if anything will.
But Rishi Sunak, despite being right wing, has done endless impressions of a Socialist, first with Pandemic handouts, now with a windfall tax on big business oil companies and energy bill discounts for the poor.
Sunak must be privately as sick as a parrot to be doing it, but he’s been more Robin Hood these past few years than any Labour Chancellor I can think of since Denis Healey.
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It's the "Millwall FC" of Point broadcasts: "No One Likes Us - We Don't Care"Facist? Coming from those who openly support a party leader who backed every authoritarian oppressive regime you could throw a stick at. Laughable
Agree with both Richard’s posts here. Wales and Scotland had hefty Tory and leave votes. It’s a FACT. That’s what numbers are
Boris as leader is damaged goods. He will lose next election. As for taking over, hunt is capable but although rishi has irritated me with his missteps, the interview on R4 yesterday confirmed his articulacy intelligence and general manner is streets ahead of the rest. He’s a class act that can’t be written off
Rishi tries hard – he’s giving away his £400 to charity. He’s sort of upper middle class but also very much a man of the people. He may be reading the life story of the lawyer Gandhi to find soft ways of winning over the red wall !
Being able to choose to give £400 to charity has always been preferable to having a higher marginal rate of income tax imposed on you by a nasty Labour government, who then spend the proceeds on evil projects like having a free National Health Service and free State Education conducted in classrooms with needless luxuries like chairs.
Voluntary charity donations rock, high top rates of income tax don’t.
But the thing about the poor is that even the most right wing can see a need to keep a good few of them actually alive all the time there’s still a need for a manual workforce.
Plus you can soon separate them from any extra disposable income you might accidentally give them by selling them fags and booze, right?
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It's the "Millwall FC" of Point broadcasts: "No One Likes Us - We Don't Care"“I hate them.”
That is a very strong term to use, Richard.
Do you really hate someone because they choose to vote in a way that is different to your preference?
Whenever political arguments flare up and become angry, I always think of when Freud talked about “the narcissism of small differences.”
As a party, yes I do hate them. I’m quite sure there are decent individuals within the party and absolutely certain that plenty of their voters are. I’ll continue to make up my mind on individuals on merit as I always have done.
“The key will be something that affects everyone – the economy and the cost of living crisis.
That’s what will nail this Tory government if anything will.”
Agree with that analysis. But the cost of living crisis is the cost of lockdown crisis.
There was always going to be a bill to pay for that insane and disastrously ineffective policy. Anyone complaining about a cost of living crisis needs to recognise it.
And it would have been just as bad if Labour had been in power. Probably even worse, given that the only criticism Starmer had for the government was lockdown should have been sooner, more severe and lasted longer.
This disastrous policy is why Johnson and Starmer should be resigning, not because of who ate a piece of cake or a plate of curry and when. The social and economic damage it did was immense, with no benefit.
It did NOT save any lives, before anyone says it did.
“I’m quite sure there are decent individuals within the party and absolutely certain that plenty of their voters are.”
That flatly contradicts what you wrote earlier, when you said you hated over 1 million people.
Richard. Torques come on all forms. It’s just that an unpleasant faction has the upper hand now
Would you hate Rory Stewart or Kenneth clarke more than the extreme left in labour with their open racism and apologia for authoritarian regimes and contempt for human rights?
And even as individuals it gets tricky. I know someone that knows john McDonnell well (through hayes town fc) and he is as he can appear apparently A really genuine witty nice bloke
Also I’ve followed a couple of journos on twitter who have views quite close to mine but they’ve exposed themselves to be arrogant self regarding tossers who I would love not to meet. One of them is a big NH follower too but he still comes across as a complete ****
“Hate” is a strong word, usually reserved in politics for hatred towards those perceived in power to have pursued policies which are felt to have directly contributed to the death of a loved one.
There are many up North who, rightly or wrongly, attribute deaths of relatives to the NHS cuts made by Margaret Thatcher’s government back in the day.
Many were sickened by the rejoicing when Thatcher died, but people usually do things for a reason, often one that isn’t obviously visible.
As I’ve often said, worst thing that happens to Tories under a Labour government is they have to pay more tax and can’t go on that second foreign holiday or change the car every year.
Worst thing that happens to Labour voters under the Tories is they make NHS cuts they reckon killed their granny.
I don’t hate anyone – I do despise Boris Johnson, though.
There’s a few in Labour I despise too, though, so my contempt is evenly spread!
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It's the "Millwall FC" of Point broadcasts: "No One Likes Us - We Don't Care"The queen has had her say
She nails it #PrivateEye @PrivateEyeNews pic.twitter.com/lBSXjRWhYM
— Michael Collins (@mcollins1922) May 26, 2022
“As I’ve often said, worst thing that happens to Tories under a Labour government is they have to pay more tax and can’t go on that second foreign holiday or change the car every year.
Worst thing that happens to Labour voters under the Tories is they make NHS cuts they reckon killed their granny.”
The key word there is “reckon”. Because it is not actually true, is it? Just emotional propaganda.
How much money have Conservative governments thrown at the NHS over the years?
The harsh truth is the NHS is not a good system. There are good people within it. I know because I have used it myself. But they are let down by the system.
We often hear the mantra “The NHS is the envy of the world”. It isn’t. If it was, why has nowhere – absolutely nowhere else – copied it?
It is one of the great contradictions of our political age (that is so bitterly divided over Remain in Europe v Brexit) that no one appears willing to look at our European neighbours to see and learn how all of them provide better health care. And they do not do it by just throwing money at it and thinking it will be better.
‘That flatly contradicts what you wrote earlier, when you said you hated over 1 million people.’
Poor wording on my part perhaps, ‘them’ being the Tories as a party. That’s different to ‘those who do or have voted Tory’. I’m not suddenly going to become someone’s best mate becuase he changes his mind and votes like I do next time.
“The key word there is “reckon”. Because it is not actually true, is it? Just emotional propaganda.”
I always choose my words, carefully, CAS!
In fact, every word I ever use is there for a reason!
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It's the "Millwall FC" of Point broadcasts: "No One Likes Us - We Don't Care"I think that probably has more to do with what Hislop thinks, rather than HMQ.
It suited the likes of him in the London media set to indulge Johnson for long enough. They thought he was a harmless figure of fun and the “Tory it was OK to Like” on “HIGNFY” and similar shows.
They were too full of themselves to realise they were being played like a violin by a more skilful and cunning media operator than them.
Would Johnson have become PM without this media exposure and opportunity to build up his political brand? I think it is a fair question.
I also think it goes some way to explaining the London media class’s hatred of Johnson now. They are furious with themselves for being taken in by someone, when those who actually knew him knew what he was like.
If the Brexit result had been the other way, he would not have become PM and they might still be laughing and joking with him.
‘Richard. Torques come on all forms. It’s just that an unpleasant faction has the upper hand now
Would you hate Rory Stewart or Kenneth clarke more than the extreme left in labour with their open racism and apologia for authoritarian regimes and contempt for human rights?’
I’ve hopefully clarified things a bit but I’m going to dismiss someone entirely because they are a Tory, I’m not going to hang on their every word because they are in Labour (not that I’ve voted Labour either thus far). We very much have the same opinion on Owen Jones for example in that he writes complete twaddle most of the time.
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