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You may not have to wait that long Purwell. For the election I hasten to add..
Manipulation though?
Another myth.
If anything, this is the “manipulation”. Based on 2010 election
“The average size of Labour constituencies is 68,487 whereas the average size of Conservative constituencies is 72,418. This is partly due to fact that Labour performed much stronger than the Conservatives in Wales and Scotland where constituencies tend to be smaller than in England”
The left should whinge less frankly. Its like the “Murdoch press! Murdoch Press!” nonsense and “mainstream media”
LBC with the excellent Ian Dale and Andrew Marr were superb last night and BBC coverage was impeccably impartial. Murdoch press? the coverage and comment in the Times today is absolutely first class
And how many people voted for the winning candidate in those constituencies? Could be anything from about 30% upwards. Lib Dems got 3 times the votes of the SNP last time and 11 seats to the SNP’s 48. The whole voting system is a complete joke and nobody will ever pull out any statistics to convince me otherwise. I voted to change it, remember that referendum?
Thats a different issue and about the whole system. It’s a response to the claim that constituencies are manipulated to favour the tories.
They are not. Thats it
Can understand the frustration of people who were in or had relatives in hospital or nursing homes and weren’t able to have visitors or visit relatives… And the frustration of people not being able to go to their friends and family’s funerals. For them to see Boris breaking Covid rules must be awful.
Do think we should remember the rules were there for good reason, helping to protect patients, visitors and care staff. For the benefit of all those concerned.
Don’t get me wrong, I believe Boris should resign for what he’s done.
However, although the rules broken in number 10 were in their own way important and similar; it was quite different to the above in one important aspect. Whole point of the hospital, nursing home and funeral rules were to stop households mixing and the mixing of vulnerable people. With Partygate the households were already legally mixing at work and with less vulnerable people, so the increased danger of covid spreading and / or death from these “parties” was less than in letting visitors into Hospital, Nursing homes and mixing at funerals.
Value Is EverythingAccording to this, the proposed upcoming boundary changes result in a net gain of 13 seats for the Tories based on 2019. Everyone else loses out (except SNP which sees sees no change).
Ging. Those being buried at funerals had minimal chances of infection due to coffin lids which are more effective than masks apparently
So what you are saying Richard is it goes some way to rebalance the disadvantage the Tories had.
Value Is Everything“But ‘you sat there getting pissed while stopping me from seeing my dying mum, and her friends couldn’t even come to the funeral’ cuts deeply and understandably so.”
But what are they going to do? Vote for someone who is under investigation for also breaking the rules and who wanted the stupid restrictions to be even harsher and longer lasting?
The electorate ought to be angry about what was done to them, not who had a piece of cake or a drink. The behaviour of both leaders and their entourage showed they did not believe in the rules they imposed on everyone else. Would they really have put their families and relatives in danger if they genuinely believed such gatherings would do so?
We just do not have a choice nowadays. These two zombie parties need booting out and replaced by parties that properly represent the electorate.
Ho ho ho,
Might have known someone would say that.The mixing at funerals that would’ve killed is obviously of the different households going to those funerals and often the mixing of vulnerable elderly households.
Value Is Everything‘So what you are saying Richard is it goes some way to rebalance the disadvantage the Tories had.’
I’m not no.
“The behaviour of both leaders and their entourage showed they did not believe in the rules they imposed on everyone else”.
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Oh CAS, am disappointed in you.
Surely anyone can see there is a big difference between households of working age fairly fit people who were already legally mixing for work purposes going to these “parties”… And the potential hospital, nursing home and funeral mixing of often extremely vulnerable households that were not already mixing?Value Is EverythingLockdowns do not stop a virus from spreading, Ginger. They were a completely flawed policy and a failure on every level – and now the bill has come in and needs to be paid as well.
The parties almost certainly did little or nothing to spread the disease. That is not the point.
You obey the laws as they are, not what you believe they should be. As it was, ‘gatherings’ (not ‘parties’) weren’t permitted. No exceptions, no excuses. If they wanted to permit after work gatherings they could have done so.
What either of us think of the effectiveness of Lockdowns now doesn’t matter on this specific subject CAS.
The rules were there for specific medical reasons at the time.
Hospital, nursing home and funeral rules were there to help stop the spread (and deaths) between what were thought extremely vulnerable people. That’s a fact.Value Is Everything“The parties almost certainly did little or nothing to spread the disease. That is not the point.
You obey the laws as they are, not what you believe they should be. As it was, ‘gatherings’ (not ‘parties’) weren’t permitted. No exceptions, no excuses. If they wanted to permit after work gatherings they could have done so”.
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Totally agree, Richard. I just think (although can understand the frustration) the equating by both media and the public of what happened at number 10 and people not being able to have visits / visiting by / to see relatives and not going to funerals… are somewhat different to Partygate.
Value Is Everything“In 2019 138 sitting Tory MPs did NOT vote for him in final round
Yday 148 MPs did NOT vote for him.So, for all the news about him today, his pos amongst Tory MPs actually is not much different to back in 2019”.
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tbh Even as a Conservative voter I don’t hold with this, Wilts.
Voting for the person you prefer in a leadership election is totally different to voting against your party leader in a vote of confidence.I would not expect anywhere near as many MPs to vote against the leader in a vote of confidence than voted against him in a leadership election.
Value Is EverythingI saw an item on the News yesterday and there was a political pundit on there who had a theory that Boris was the only party leader who had been a “celebrity” before entering main stream politics.
With his antics on TV shows like “Have I Got News For You” he came across as a jolly buffoon, as Mayor of London he made himself a name for being in touch with the people. I don’t want to sound sexist but several ladies, who are normally sensible, have told me that they rather liked him.
So when it came to the General Election people were voting for this caricature rather than his policies. Of course all the misguided brexit supporters followed this Judas Goat to the abattoir as well.
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