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I wouldn’t touch an ex-Cole inmate with a ten foot bargepole – they’re either sour as hell, crippled or nutters!
Luckily he was a very good horse! Won on the flat, over hurdles and over fences for us.
We did have another one that had been there as a 2yo, turned it out for 2 yrs and brought it back for bumpers – still sour as hell.
I know when I was at Perrett’s, Cole’s was rumoured to have a pretty serious drug problem – that can’t help."……………Cole’s was rumoured to have a pretty serious drug problem – that can’t help…………."
Paul or the horses or the staff??????
Colin
Well it’s a good job i’ve not just ridden ‘ponies’ and ‘riding horses’ and ridden all my life, trained at the NRC, and worked and ridden for 5 different trainers, isn’t it? Not to mention a foundation degree in Equine Science.
I know exactly what your saying, was made to feel my equine experiences and qualifications were totally invalid and that I was just some average pony rider
When did you train at NRC? I was there back in march, did you know ray? Was Nick Ross there when you were?
I did a college conversion course there back in 2004 as i’d already had a few years experience, but wanted to do a course so i could progress on to trainers courses in the future, yes Nick Ross was there, and one things for sure… he DEFINITELY wasn’t a bolter! I remember having to kick him on just to keep up with the others! Haha!
I’m back up there later this year for a Racing Sec course.
And yes i agree, members of the forum assuming other members are clueless is rather patronising.If a horse is truely dangerous owners have to do the responsible thing. Not many owners knowadays have the land to look after a horse for the rest of its life, and it is naive to think someone else is going to do it. It is extremely irresponsible to pass a horse on with no regard to others safety. Not to mention the fact that, as Francome said, there are a lot of others out there. To keep a horse stuck in the field is time and money, which most of us have only in short supply – there are plenty of others that are, quite blunty, worth more of an effort.
I’m completely not disagreeing with you with the view that truely dangerous horses have to be dealt with. I was just worried that earlier comments made to a 2 YO’s second time on a racecourse were a bit hasty considering we weren’t sure if this horse had done such things before at home. I’ve had horses i’ve looked after put down before… some because they are dangerous wether they are at home or on a racecourse, and some meerly because they are dangerous on a racecourse.
I guess it’s a tricky subject, and this discussion had flown way out of it’s original context, but what’s wrong with a good old debate once in a while eh!?
I apologize The Cheekster, for comments i made earlier in discussion. I think i may have misunderstood statements made from you and gone off on one a bit.
BUT… i still stand with my view that Francome shouldn’t have made that comment live on Channel 4!And also i would appriciate it if people didn’t doubt my knowledge of horses, and the racing industry. Yes, i still have a lot to learn, of which i’m willing to learn, but i have spent years working with racehorses, and yes FOLLOWING racing.
Apolgies to all.
Yes Nick Ross was the slowest thing there
but i looked after him in the stable he was such a lovely horse to work with miss him so much :cry Carbury cross was another favourite….and grampian….and bodfari well i could go on all day Had only realised recently that there’s a racing secs course at the BRS so presumably the one at the Northern Racing College that you are going on Zome is pretty much the same.
Hoping to do the Newmarket one later on in the year.Yes Nick Ross was the slowest thing there
but i looked after him in the stable he was such a lovely horse to work with miss him so much :cry Carbury cross was another favourite….and grampian….and bodfari well i could go on all day What about the giant Oz!!!! My favourite there was probably Desert Fighter. They used to put me on Noddy most of the time though. He was a bit of a psycho at times.
I was lucky because i was on the college conversion course i didn’t have to do any of the yard work!
Gone a bit defensive there, Zome?? I can’t remember accusing anyone, specifically, or even unspecifically, of being "clueless". As KT says, you never stop learning with horses – 3 years out of the Racing School doesn’t make you the fount of all knowledge!! None of us are, but the longer you deal with them the more you will see, it’s a simple numbers game.
Your previous chippy comments towards TC did however display to me that you may not be as experienced as you’d like to make out you are.
SL, I’m well aware I don’t know everything there is to know as i stated in before comments, so i don’t know why you’re continuing to try to bully me into a corner again attacking me with patronising comments. My apology to TC and everyone else for flinging about my perhaps not well thought through comments, was trying to level the ground a bit here. I apologise again for coming accross as the high and mighty.
I don’t want the racing forum to become a mass of insults and perhaps a lot of what has been said has been mis-read and not taken in the right context.
Shall we shake hands now? Group hug would be going to far.Grin?
I’m not trying to bully you into a corner Zome and my intention was not to patronise you – apologies for that.
It happens to be one of my bugbears I’m afraid that some people (again, not necessarily you as I don’t know you well enough to comment) do seem to find it hard to accept that when it comes to animals and horses in particular [hell, it goes for kids too except that you’d struggle to get away with putting a kid to sleep!] that quite often harsh decisions have to be taken to do what is kindest for the animal. Unfortunately life is a bitch & not everything can be sorted out by a few cuddles – much as many of us (myself included at times) would like to think.
As I said initially, I’m not writing off the horse in question on one incident alone – how could I, I know nothing at all about the creature bar what little I’ve seen on TV. My comments were made in relation to how to possibly deal with a complete nutjob – sometimes only the inevitable is the only realistic and safe option available.
Btw, I have no wish to get into a slanging match either – could manage a grin I guess!
All noted SL.
I do realise not all mentalist horses can be turned good with a cuddle and a packet of polos (although as you said, it’d make life a flippin’ lot easier at times, and no doubt we’d all have suffered less bruises too).
To be honest, i hope i never see that bloody horse on a racehorse again. Look at all the trouble it’s caused!!!!!!!!
Here’s a thought…. LETS REALISE HIM INTO THE WILD.
JOKE!!!!!
It happens to be one of my bugbears I’m afraid that some people (again, not necessarily you as I don’t know you well enough to comment) do seem to find it hard to accept that when it comes to animals and horses in particular [hell, it goes for kids too except that you’d struggle to get away with putting a kid to sleep!] that quite often harsh decisions have to be taken to do what is kindest for the animal. Unfortunately life is a bitch & not everything can be sorted out by a few cuddles – much as many of us (myself included at times) would like to think.
Don’t worry…. i’m a farmers daughter. Nuff said. Haha.
Never heard of Oz but I know Desert Fighter isn’t there anymore, yeah Noddy is a bit of a handful at times i have a scar on my side from were he bit me but i still love him, never rode him he had a tendon injury when I was there
Lorenzino is the best too infact Noddy and Lorenzino got to be good friends in the field although Noddy was the leader that was obviousI’m disappointed in this thread ~ when I saw Shadow Leader appear to go toe to toe with Zoz & Zome I was expecting a full on catfight but sadly wisdom and common sense have prevailed.
For what it’s worth, I remember that Jim Lewis got a terrible slating when Nakir was put down which demonstrates the naivety of the general public when it comes to horse (and human) welfare. It’s also nice to see new faces and old getting stuck into issues on TRF btw ~ more please.
Lorenzino is the best too infact Noddy and Lorenzino got to be good friends in the field although Noddy was the leader that was obvious
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