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If you wanted to write a story about Jesus’s birth at the time it was written, what would you need?
A hard luck story? – Birth on a journey with no room at the Inn.
Examples to attract the poor? Three shepherds.
Can’t alienate the rich? Better be the same number of wise men too.
Something to interest the children? Animals, sheep, donkey, manger etc.
A pure, whiter than white story and example to women? Virgin birth.
Hang on, a one parent family would be frowned on? Virgin must be married.
A bad guy? King HerodHow could the story be improved on?
Is the story just too convenient?Value Is EverythingIs the story just too convenient?
Yes. It would seem a lot of the nativity story has been framed to include bits of older religion’s god-birth mythology, thus making "Jesus Christ" an easier sell.
Christopher Hitchens clips on youtube is a great, thought-provoking experience. Don’t watch him though if you’d rather carry-on believing.
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How could the story be improved on?
A christian answer would be it couldn’t, as that story is the word of God. My answer would be how could the storyline of Harry Potter getting that philosopher’s stone be improved? If you did "improve" the story you would probably end up with something far worse and far more crazier then Mormonism.
Is the story just too convenient?
Yes. In the same way it’s more convenient to believe in an afterlife.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mQorzOS-F6w
Not just thought provoking but I also find his debating to be comical and he literally takes the p*ss out of his opponents.
The key word is the seventh in the OP – "story"
That’s all it is – a story.
Yes it’s a morality story but no more or less relevant than any of Aesop’s Fables or fairy stories like Snow White.
Indeed whenever the "God Squad" come knocking at my door asking if they can discuss the relevance of the Bible with me, my response is "yes, as long as I can discuss the relevance of Snow White and the Seven Dwarfs with you."
It’s the Messiah Story that appears all over the world in lots of religions. I think this ones has it’s origins in Egypt?
The newer stories like evolution, scientology, mormonism and all that are equally incredible when we apply the same logic.
ahh yes religion, the preferred topic to get emotions boiling and start wars
here’s a very interesting illustration of supposed bible controdictions. I haven’t checked them but I wouldn’t be surprised if they’re actually in there…
http://deadwildroses.files.wordpress.com/2013/03/bc.png"The newer stories like evolution, scientology, mormonism and all that are equally incredible when we apply the same logic."
If you seriously think evolution is just as incredible as Mormonism , then I suggest you do some research. Since this is a horse racing forum may I recommend you look up ‘evolution of the horse’. What logic did you apply to draw the conclusion that Mormonism is equal to evolution?
D-Jay, If you do 10-15 minutes of basic web research, it would quickly come apparent the idiocy of your statement. The amount of evidence for evolution outweighs massively the evidence for gravity, the evidence for Mormonism is non-existent. They are not equal, they are opposites, one is fact the other fraudulent fiction. Scientology is known as a celebrity cult, also fiction and not a religion by any stretch of the imagination, again opposite to the known fact of evolution by natural selection.
Knowledge will set you free.
Evolution is just a theory. If it were true where do humans fit in?
I don’t know where human’s came from and wouldn’t hazzard a guess but I don’t believe that the evolution opinion holds any more water than the God one, personally.
Whereas Mormonism and Evolution have lots of things in common, like changing their opinions to suit the times. Ignoring bits of evidence which don’t ‘fit’ the theory and rationalising that everyone who doesn’t buy into it is either mad or morally inferior.
I remember getting taught in school that glaciers crept across europe during the last ice age, as a fact. We know now, after the invention of satellites and further studies of glacial mechanics that this could not have happened. So science has to agree that boulders the size of houses from Norway on the top of the Alps got there by other means.
It seems best to start off from a point of not believing anything that’s passed off as a fact and examining the things that don’t fit the theory, rather than looking around for coincidences that do fit the theory.
Evolution is just a theory. If it were true where do humans fit in?
I don’t know where human’s came from and wouldn’t hazzard a guess but I don’t believe that the evolution opinion holds any more water than the God one, personally.
Whereas Mormonism and Evolution have lots of things in common, like changing their opinions to suit the times. Ignoring bits of evidence which don’t ‘fit’ the theory and rationalising that everyone who doesn’t buy into it is either mad or morally inferior.
I remember getting taught in school that glaciers crept across europe during the last ice age, as a fact. We know now, after the invention of satellites and further studies of glacial mechanics that this could not have happened. So science has to agree that boulders the size of houses from Norway on the top of the Alps got there by other means.
It seems best to start off from a point of not believing anything that’s passed off as a fact and examining the things that don’t fit the theory, rather than looking around for coincidences that do fit the theory.
"Where as Mormonism and Evolution have lots of things in common"
Such as? Understand that Joseph Smith is a fraud, he claimed to find two gold plates in America that were the word of God, he translated these supposedly golden plates into the Book of Mormon, Mormons believe a storybook character (Jesus) will have a second coming in Missouri. Everything about Mormonism is laughable, it cannot be taken seriously.
I have never seen anyone compare evolution with Mormonism, they have nothing in common!
"like changing their opinions to suit the times. Ignoring bits of evidence which don’t ‘fit’ the theory and rationalising that everyone who doesn’t buy into it is either mad or morally inferior."
Science changes the theory when new evidence arises, like recently DNA evidence has absolutely proven beyond any doubt evolution by natural selection and common ancestry is correct, there is no real measurable evidence to dispute evolution.
"Evolution is just a theory. If it were true where do humans fit in?"
http://undsci.berkeley.edu/article/howscienceworks_19
Your definition of theory is different from a scientific theory, gravity and general relativity are scientific theories, your definition of theory is a guess without any evidence. A scientific theory is a claim supported by facts and evidence. Biggest misconception about evolution is it’s just a theory.
If I was to explain how "humans fit in" this post would go on for ages, if you’re actually interested just watch a documentary.From Berkeley,
"JUST" A THEORY?
Occasionally, scientific ideas (such as biological evolution) are written off with the putdown "it’s just a theory." This slur is misleading and conflates two separate meanings of the word theory: in common usage, the word theory means just a hunch, but in science, a theory is a powerful explanation for a broad set of observations. To be accepted by the scientific community, a theory (in the scientific sense of the word) must be strongly supported by many different lines of evidence. So biological evolution is a theory (it is a well-supported, widely accepted, and powerful explanation for the diversity of life on Earth), but it is not "just" a theory.Glaciers? I don’t have a clue what glaciers have to do with evolution.
Glaciers? I don’t have a clue what glaciers have to do with evolution
Another theory, sorry a guess, passed off as a fact when I was a boy.
Rumour has it that we didn’t evolve from Neanderthals now, btw. It was passed off as a fact a few years ago that we did. We never evolved from cromagnons either, they were bigger and better than us. Anything that can be properly analysed disproves evolution not the opposite.
Why do we have a brain 10 times bigger than we need? Did we suddenly get stupid, evolution argues that you wouldn’t have something physically that you wouldn’t have an immediate use for.
The Evolution story holds no more water than the Joseph Smith story, cobbled together by clever conmen and scientists who don’t have a clue.
Like I said to you before, I won’t go looking for evidence that supports a theory .. that would be like watching world news on CNN and claiming to be clued up on world affairs.
Anyway, I’m going for a swim, wonder if I will come back with gills?
You obviously have no understanding of the world you live in, everything you’ve written is perverse.
If a human suddenly developed gills it would be evidence that disproved evolution.
"Anything that can be properly analysed disproves evolution not the opposite"
Give one example, you will win a Nobel prize if you could find just one example with supporting evidence.
If you wanted to write a story about Jesus’s birth at the time it was written, what would you need?
A hard luck story? – Birth on a journey with no room at the Inn.
Examples to attract the poor? Three shepherds.
Can’t alienate the rich? Better be the same number of wise men too.
Something to interest the children? Animals, sheep, donkey, manger etc.
A pure, whiter than white story and example to women? Virgin birth.
Hang on, a one parent family would be frowned on? Virgin must be married.
A bad guy? King HerodHow could the story be improved on?
Is the story just too convenient?Seen the words ‘Hard luck story’ and ‘no room at the inn’ and thought this was going to be a Jamie Spencer thread.
Anyway moving swiftly on before the Spencer fan club get me
How could the story be better?
How about this the donkey that stayed all day with Mary on his back fell in love with the local mare. Hundreds of years later one of the donkeys descendants went on to win the National. Not just once, not twice but yes three times. Yes the donkeys descendant was Red Rum.
You think thats good wait until you hear the sequel about who AP’s long lost descendants are.
You obviously have no understanding of the world you live in, everything you’ve written is perverse.
If a human suddenly developed gills it would be evidence that disproved evolution.
"Anything that can be properly analysed disproves evolution not the opposite"
Give one example, you will win a Nobel prize if you could find just one example with supporting evidence.
The human brain is too big for it’s functional requirements, please explain how it got so big?
http://www.google.co.uk
If you can get on here to post then surely you can just search google.
That evolution thing hasn’t really worked out for you has it.
Hope you turn into something a bit brighter.
If you ask stupid questions, expect blunt answers. If I asked you what’s the distance between the earth and the moon you wouldn’t know so you would have to google it, I didn’t have the answer to your question so instead of me searching for an answer you should be doing it yourself, if you can’t use google you’re retarded.
I don’t think you have a clue about the difference between evolution and natural selection, evolution isn’t one species turning into another! It’s any change in the genes of a species over generations. So by your ideology if evolution is false you would have exactly the same genes and DNA as your parents and your grand-parents. I think you’re the dumbass.
You thought evolution was "only a theory", that science is the same as Mormonism, and think evidence is just "coincidences".
Then you think you can win a Noble prize by disproving evolution, with your silly brain question.
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