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Mcririck is still the most well known hack around and not having him on channel 4 is a nonsense. It was hilarious Gina chasing job to get an interview but in fairness to Joseph there were no chance she was going to get an interview as highland reel was still bouncing and full of life. The amount of energy that horse used outside the race suggests that once he matures he could be some racehorse. Noticed aob blanked Gina as well but that was more to do with the customary after race call to him mum presumably. Time to let things settle after the race before doing interviews indeed.
When they asked Frankie which horse he would like to ride in the Gordon stakes he went for Somewhat because he was the highest rated and had the best form from The Eclipse. When Jim McGrath countered that the latter race panned out like two races with the ones held up never really getting into it, Frankie replied that Somewhat had still beaten good horses like The Fugue, and that "The form book never lies"
It was like painting by numbers meets local bookies logic where another horse who is "due a win" will be backed with confidence any minute.
Great Jockey in his day but he is not bringing anything other than his name to the TV gig.
Can’t see how it can work while he is still riding but I think you are being a tad unfair regards his tipping ability Steve. Most jockeys would have picked Somewhat given a free choice I would have thought.
He was clear top on Racing Post form ratings, was nearly fav, so both punters and bookies thought he had a good chance and was only beaten a neck and head.
Didn’t McGrath tip Red Galileo in the same race? Tailed off last and beaten over 50 lengths
I think you are missing the point. Jim McGrath was trying to point out that Somewhat’s last run might have been dubious form. I questioned that very rating at the time and opposed the horse on the back of it. The horse had not won at the trip either and it smelled strongly of lazily picking the original favourite, without thinking deeper into the conundrum.
Thanks for the good crack. Time for me to move on. Be lucky.
I think you are missing the point. Jim McGrath was trying to point out that Somewhat’s last run might have been dubious form. I questioned that very rating at the time and opposed the horse on the back of it. The horse had not won at the trip either and it smelled strongly of lazily picking the original favourite, without thinking deeper into the conundrum.
Steve, you appear to be being petty. As he is still riding it is most unlikely he will be doing in depth form analysis. Presumably C4 knew this when they signed him up although he is more adept at using that touch screen than the others, who have been doing it for months.
Regards Somewhat even if you didn’t take the Eclipse at face value he still had a good chance, were all the people who fancied him lazy too for not agreeing with you? He could hardly have won over 12fs previously having never run over the distance before. Snow Sky was the morning fav not Somewhat but drifted no doubt due to his coltish behaviour and most of the course money was for Somewhat.
Somewhat was a perfectly reasonable choice, one I suspect that the majority of jockeys would have made given the choice even if the reasoning didn’t meet with your approval.
The race looked wide open to me, a 4/1 the field race and Somewhat ran a fine race to be beaten only half a length, so those who fancied it weren’t too far out were they?
Did Jim McGrath do any better with all his knowledge or Tom Segal tipping up tailed off Red Galileo?
I think you are missing the point. Jim McGrath was trying to point out that Somewhat’s last run might have been dubious form. I questioned that very rating at the time and opposed the horse on the back of it. The horse had not won at the trip either and it smelled strongly of lazily picking the original favourite, without thinking deeper into the conundrum.
Steve, you appear to be being petty. As he is still riding it is most unlikely he will be doing in depth form analysis. Presumably C4 knew this when they signed him up although he is more adept at using that touch screen than the others, who have been doing it for months.
Regards Somewhat even if you didn’t take the Eclipse at face value he still had a good chance, were all the people who fancied him lazy too for not agreeing with you? He could hardly have won over 12fs previously having never run over the distance before. Snow Sky was the morning fav not Somewhat but drifted no doubt due to his coltish behaviour and most of the course money was for Somewhat.
Somewhat was a perfectly reasonable choice, one I suspect that the majority of jockeys would have made given the choice even if the reasoning didn’t meet with your approval.
The race looked wide open to me, a 4/1 the field race and Somewhat ran a fine race to be beaten only half a length, so those who fancied it weren’t too far out were they?
Did Jim McGrath do any better with all his knowledge or Tom Segal tipping up tailed off Red Galileo?
I don’t know what your problem is here.
Someone employed as a pundit should be putting the work in and not be half-assed about it. Either be a good jockey or a good pundit but don’t be stuck in no man’s land, looking past it at one job and not yet up to speed in the other.
I apologise if you have a little shrine to Dettori in your bedroom but I tell it the way I see it.
Anyone backing Somewhat to serious money based solely on a dubious rating
was
lazy and didn’t consider the full facts. It matters not one jot whether a horse has run over a trip before when you consider whether or not it will get the trip in a race. Until it has won at the trip, or at least run to near its best at the trip, it remains a question mark and it is pointless and bizarre to use the fact that the horse hadn’t tried the trip to save face in some way. It is a non-argument to the point I put and I suspect you know it full well.
Somewhat was favourite for most of the evening and I backed Snow Sky at 4/1. He came in to a best priced 7/2 shortly after and drifted back out to 9/2 early morning. He misbehaved and had to be checked in his run, so I think he was good value over a horse supposedly half a stone better than him.
Your point that most jockeys would have picked Somewhat is speculation and has no value in justifying Dettori’s choice as a valid one.
Your deriding of other, more experienced and respected tipsters in Jim McGrath and Tom Segal, based on one tip in one race is nonsense and bordering on play school logic. I suspect neither of them will be losing sleep at the thought of the Dettori tipping juggernaut gathering pace and knocking the bookies into touch, putting them out of a job in the process
Thanks for the good crack. Time for me to move on. Be lucky.
I don’t know what your problem is here.
Someone employed as a pundit should be putting the work in and not be half-assed about it. Either be a good jockey or a good pundit but don’t be stuck in no man’s land, looking past it at one job and not yet up to speed in the other.
I apologise if you have a little shrine to Dettori in your bedroom but I tell it the way I see it.
Anyone backing Somewhat to serious money based solely on a dubious rating
was
lazy and didn’t consider the full facts. It matters not one jot whether a horse has run over a trip before when you consider whether or not it will get the trip in a race. Until it has won at the trip, or at least run to near its best at the trip, it remains a question mark and it is pointless and bizarre to use the fact that the horse hadn’t tried the trip to save face in some way. It is a non-argument to the point I put and I suspect you know it full well.
Somewhat was favourite for most of the evening and I backed Snow Sky at 4/1. He came in to a best priced 7/2 shortly after and drifted back out to 9/2 early morning. He misbehaved and had to be checked in his run, so I think he was good value over a horse supposedly half a stone better than him.
Your point that most jockeys would have picked Somewhat is speculation and has no value in justifying Dettori’s choice as a valid one.
Your deriding of other, more experienced and respected tipsters in Jim McGrath and Tom Segal, based on one tip in one race is nonsense and bordering on play school logic. I suspect neither of them will be losing sleep at the thought of the Dettori tipping juggernaut gathering pace and knocking the bookies into touch, putting them out of a job in the process
It looks like the tripe isn’t confined to C4 racing, so we can rule Australia & Kingston Hill out of the Derby because they’ve only won over 1 mile previously?
Many 3 year olds don’t get stepped up to 12fs till this time of year, doesn’t mean they can’t win.
No surprise to me but some of the recent winners of the Gordon Stakes hadn’t won previously at 12fs, including Harbinger & Rebel Soldier . How do you explain that then in view of what you’ve said?
You defend McGrath & Segal because of it being just one tip in one race but that’s exactly what you’ve done, wasn’t Dettori’s one tip in one race.
He’s only been doing the job a few weeks, some of them have been talking tripe for years on it, you only need to listen to Tanya’s big race stats.
Of course it is speculation that most other jockeys would choose the same horse as Dettori for the same reasons eg highest rating etc but why wouldn’t they? or do you think most of them are more intelligent than that?
You give the impression that you think you know it all and others opinions are worthless. If Somewhat had as little chance as you say why wasn’t his price pushed right out?
Even Tom Segal despite tipping Red Galileo stated Somewhat had an excellent chance, you can’t even bring yourself to admit what a good race Somewhat ran to be beaten only half a length, after the event
Don’t know why you keep beating about the bush with your various posts and threads knocking Dettori for his riding, presenting,tipping, lifestyle etc why not just start one "Why I hate Dettori" and be done with it? You’ve obviously an agenda about the guy.
Jockeys very rarely make good tipsters. As Big Mac says believe what you see and somewhats third in the eclipse wasn’t a reflection of its merits due to poor jockey ship and should have been watched rather than followed at good wood. No wonder the bookies make money as why else would somewhat gone off as favourite. Bizzare.
I don’t know what your problem is here.
Someone employed as a pundit should be putting the work in and not be half-assed about it. Either be a good jockey or a good pundit but don’t be stuck in no man’s land, looking past it at one job and not yet up to speed in the other.
I apologise if you have a little shrine to Dettori in your bedroom but I tell it the way I see it.
Anyone backing Somewhat to serious money based solely on a dubious rating
was
lazy and didn’t consider the full facts. It matters not one jot whether a horse has run over a trip before when you consider whether or not it will get the trip in a race. Until it has won at the trip, or at least run to near its best at the trip, it remains a question mark and it is pointless and bizarre to use the fact that the horse hadn’t tried the trip to save face in some way. It is a non-argument to the point I put and I suspect you know it full well.
Somewhat was favourite for most of the evening and I backed Snow Sky at 4/1. He came in to a best priced 7/2 shortly after and drifted back out to 9/2 early morning. He misbehaved and had to be checked in his run, so I think he was good value over a horse supposedly half a stone better than him.
Your point that most jockeys would have picked Somewhat is speculation and has no value in justifying Dettori’s choice as a valid one.
Your deriding of other, more experienced and respected tipsters in Jim McGrath and Tom Segal, based on one tip in one race is nonsense and bordering on play school logic. I suspect neither of them will be losing sleep at the thought of the Dettori tipping juggernaut gathering pace and knocking the bookies into touch, putting them out of a job in the process
It looks like the tripe isn’t confined to C4 racing, so we can rule Australia & Kingston Hill out of the Derby because they’ve only won over 1 mile previously?
Many 3 year olds don’t get stepped up to 12fs till this time of year, doesn’t mean they can’t win.
No surprise to me but some of the recent winners of the Gordon Stakes hadn’t won previously at 12fs, including Harbinger & Rebel Soldier . How do you explain that then in view of what you’ve said?
You defend McGrath & Segal because of it being just one tip in one race but that’s exactly what you’ve done, wasn’t Dettori’s one tip in one race.
He’s only been doing the job a few weeks, some of them have been talking tripe for years on it, you only need to listen to Tanya’s big race stats.
Of course it is speculation that most other jockeys would choose the same horse as Dettori for the same reasons eg highest rating etc but why wouldn’t they? or do you think most of them are more intelligent than that?
You give the impression that you think you know it all and others opinions are worthless. If Somewhat had as little chance as you say why wasn’t his price pushed right out?
Even Tom Segal despite tipping Red Galileo stated Somewhat had an excellent chance, you can’t even bring yourself to admit what a good race Somewhat ran to be beaten only half a length, after the event
Don’t know why you keep beating about the bush with your various posts and threads knocking Dettori for his riding, presenting,tipping, lifestyle etc why not just start one "Why I hate Dettori" and be done with it? You’ve obviously an agenda about the guy.
Any hatred is limited to your imagination.
I don’t buy into the media obsession that ex-jockeys make good presenters. Frankie just happens to be the latest incumbent of that role.
You are banging on about Somewhat having run a great race but if we are looking at it from the perspective that he should have had half a stone in hand over his field, it is harder to be pleased with his effort, particularly when you consider the winner’s slight problems and the runner up flying through for second.
If you stopped getting paranoid about defending Frankie Dettori for a second you might understand the point I am trying to make regarding the importance of the trip. It is glaringly obvious that any horse may, or may not stay the 12f trip. The point I am making is that we don’t know for certain until after the race.
Frankie Dettori seemed to be solely placing his faith in Somewhat based on his rating achieved in a dubiously run race, at a shorter trip and after he was prompted to expand further by Jim McGrath pointing out the potential dubiety of the Eclipse form the response was that "The form book doesn’t lie"
I expected a bit more depth from Frankie and it will be disappointing if he doesn’t bring something different to the table from that which others can do as it stands.
It is a poor defence to point to other presenters being rubbish and even poorer show to resort to personal comments about me being a "know it all"
I am putting forward my opinion here and it seems that there is a "Though shalt not criticise" mentality here. Perhaps that is why there are so few posts on a forum with a membership in excess of 50,000 people.
I hate Dettori? What a wet dream that notion is.
Thanks for the good crack. Time for me to move on. Be lucky.
Channel 4 go on air at 1.30 – the first race is 2.05 so they only show four what’s wrong with going on air on 1.55 and ending coverage at 4.35?
Channel 4 go on air at 1.30 – the first race is 2.05 so they only show four what’s wrong with going on air on 1.55 and ending coverage at 4.35?
What and miss showing another Come Dine with Me????
You are banging on about Somewhat having run a great race but if we are looking at it from the perspective that he should have had half a stone in hand over his field, it is harder to be pleased with his effort, particularly when you consider the winner’s slight problems and the runner up flying through for second.
Frankie Dettori seemed to be solely placing his faith in Somewhat based on his rating achieved in a dubiously run race, at a shorter trip and after he was prompted to expand further by Jim McGrath pointing out the potential dubiety of the Eclipse form the response was that "The form book doesn’t lie"
I am puzzled why you should be so wound up by such a minor issue as Dettori possibly overrating a horse prior to a race.
Why would you expect someone to be proficient at a job if they’ve only been doing it a few weeks? Were you?Regards Somewhat I don’t recall stating it had run a great race.
However I’m surprised you don’t agree that he ran a good race to be beaten only half a length based on the fact that you consider his rating is several pounds too high combined with him going up in trip.
His rating made absolutely no difference to his chance in the race, he would have run exactly the same race even if rated 7lbs lower or whatever you thought he was worth for his 10f Eclipse run.
I thought that nick luck did a fine job fronting the show at the king George and goodwood,the greedy one wasent missed and as I note viewing figures for goodwood were up I think mr luck should be the main presenter all the time,at least he bothers to turn up!
This won’t be a popular opinion, but I think a greater bookmaker PR presence would improve C4’s content.
I think the problem with flat-racing runs much deeper; as long as the main business is creating profitable stallions, rather than actually winning races, the spectacle will be much reduced. Early retirement for stud duties is not new of course, but now that there is so much more competition from other sports, racing need to do something drastic to maintain it’s coverage and popularity;imagine Frankel vs Sea the Stars?
Of course the simple answer is for people who don’t like channel 4 coverage to watch RUK or ATR. We are very lucky in this country to have as much free to view coverage on terrestrial TV as we do (come to that general press coverage as well). Racing has no divine right to TV coverage and has far more than than it deserves in comparison to other sports. I would hazard a guess that we have more live coverage on terrestrial TV than any other sport. This is quite remarkable for what is a minority sport.
There is something fundamentally
wrong with the sport.
Channel 4 or the great BBC
cannot fixAnswer…
I am Larry
I am 51
and I am from YorkYes if horses could suddenly talk
we would have something to market
but I am afraid Michael Owen
has past his sell by and Dettori
is damaged and yesterdays sport.
Big Mac’s underpants now in salvage
don’t cut it any more – ask the Booby !
Lester Piggot despite his brilliant
derriere on a horse could never sit
it in today’s demanding world of one liners.
So what have we got left ? – Claire Balding
and the bookmakers and the advertisers.All look up to heaven
and pray for the first
talking horse
" You won very easily ?"
" I only did what I did at home
and Mr Stoute will tell you that "" What race are you next aimed at ?"
" Any race where you are not there !
…OOPS sorry Michael!
but at least I said more than
you usually do. "I thought that nick luck did a fine job fronting the show at the king George and goodwood,the greedy one wasent missed and as I note viewing figures for goodwood were up I think mr luck should be the main presenter all the time,at least he bothers to turn up!
Slightly confused as to why a low quality card at Pontefract today requires the supposedly top presenter of Nick Luck on RUK
Surely this meeting is not one you use your top presenters on you stick Mr bore Peter Norton?
(I know not CH4 but Luck is often mentioned in here).
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