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The members for the new betting form have been announced.
http://www.britishhorseracing.com/press_releases/horseracing-bettors-forum-members-announced/
Can’t believe I’ve been ignored at the expense of some of the names on that list. I mean Tanya Stevenson
. Her speciality being “7 out of the last 10 winners have come from the first 3 in betting”.
Always thought she would be chosen but hard to see what she will bring to the table based on past experience.Good to see Glenn Alcoe on board and the eye-catcher for me and no doubt other one-time Smartsig forum members is Steve Tilley: a very knowledgeable chap
With the exception of them, Simon and Tanya I’ve never heard of the others, which is refreshing as I was half-expecting another recycling of the familiar such as Dave Nevison and assorted media hacks
Good luck to them, though what their actual remit will be I don’t know
Read this elsewhere and presume it’s correct or at least almost correct
“Every one of them including the 3 reserves and Rust is either paid, been paid or sponsored by bookmakers at one time or another”
Is it possible there could be conflicts of interest here?
Tells you all you need to know about this farce.
Read this elsewhere and presume it’s correct or at least almost correct
“Every one of them including the 3 reserves and Rust is either paid, been paid or sponsored by bookmakers at one time or another”
Is it possible there could be conflicts of interest here?
Tells you all you need to know about this farce.
Oh dear. The negativity that was expected. Hasn’t even started and people are calling it a farce and making accusations without substantiating them. This project deserves the support of everyone.
Oh dear. The negativity that was expected. Hasn’t even started and people are calling it a farce and making accusations without substantiating them. This project deserves the support of everyone.
Value Is EverythingAnyone who thinks this is a useful exercise, unless they have some sort of self interest, must be in cuckoo land.
You would hope that most punters know the actual problems. This little band will not solve any of them.
The idea that the BHA actually wants to do anything to help punters? This is no more than a glorified smokescreen.
<div class=”d4p-bbt-quote-title”>yeats wrote:</div>
Read this elsewhere and presume it’s correct or at least almost correct“Every one of them including the 3 reserves and Rust is either paid, been paid or sponsored by bookmakers at one time or another”
Is it possible there could be conflicts of interest here?
Tells you all you need to know about this farce.
Oh dear. The negativity that was expected. Hasn’t even started and people are calling it a farce and making accusations without substantiating them. This project deserves the support of everyone.
I think people are entitled to predict whether they think something is worthwhile or not. The fullness of time will tell whether they were correct, or were too hasty to condemn.
A lot of these “Think Tanks” are set up with good intentions but I always wonder what the ratio of talk to actual action is?
Call me cynical but I am not expecting big changes from this initiative but maybe I will be wrong.
The whole positivity/negativity equation is a myth in my opinion. All the positivity in the world won’t save a doomed project, while negative opinions should be viewed and either used to address fair criticism or to be used as impetus to prove the critic incorrect. Positive thinking is a myth for athletes who lack the actual talent, the good ones just go out there and get the job done.
The best of luck to them, it won’t be easy but neither should we seal the project in a protective bubble where fair criticism and opinion cannot be levelled.
Anyway this section from the above link made me smile:-
“I’d firstly like to thank everyone who applied. The number and quality of the applications was outstanding. Simon had a difficult job narrowing the applications down to this select group and I know he is hopeful of remaining in touch with, and calling on the knowledge of, all of the applicants.
In other words, “We want your input, but your not getting a penny piece for it”
Thanks for the good crack. Time for me to move on. Be lucky.
I’m disappointed with the line-up. Too many industry people and a professional punter. Hardly a wide demographic. I was hoping for more ‘average joe’ punters and racegoers, some fresher voices. I feel we have been here before. Just look at Racing For Change from 2009. Many things that punters and racegoers suggested then are still being touted now.
Racing needs to stop pandering to the bookmakers. Racing needs a better product.
Can’t believe I’ve been ignored at the expense of some of the names on that list. I mean Tanya Stevenson
. Her speciality being “7 out of the last 10 winners have come from the first 3 in betting”.
Always thought she would be chosen but hard to see what she will bring to the table based on past experience.Tanya is only 44, getaway is that a typo
(“Oh dear. The negativity that was expected. Hasn’t even started and people are calling it a farce and making accusations without substantiating them. This project deserves the support of everyone”.)
You tell me Ken, could there be seen to be a possible conflict of interest with the chairman of this new group, employed by a company owned by bookmakers who wont lay 2 bananas to a banana on their own sportsbook?
As for Nick Rust, the bookmaker mentality at peddling lies is that engrained in his brain he can’t stop doing it even now he’s at the BHA.
He stated in an interview at Royal Ascot that by and large punters apart from top professionals don’t have a problem getting bets on. This is not what I’ve been hearing up and down the country from punters, some who haven’t been even winning, for some years.
Maybe all these punters are telling lies? But then again maybe not, that seems more likely.
Why would the BHA chief want to peddle such lies like a bookies rep such as Clare or Power?
The fullness of time will tell whether they were correct, or were too hasty to condemn.
I disagree Steve,
The fullness of time will not tell whether they were correct.
This forum will probably make little difference, but there is quite a large possibility it will make a big difference. Therefore, if only say a 25% chance of success surely they were right to try even if unsuccessful?Also,
If the “forum” is not listened to and acted upon by the BHA – you’re likely to see widespread resignations from the panel and all the bad publicity that comes with it. So for the BHA/Rust to set this thing up without any intention of listening/acting does not make sense.It’s fine to criticise the panel etc, but some on here (not you Steve) don’t want them to try.
Value Is Everything<div class=”d4p-bbt-quote-title”>stevecaution wrote:</div>
The fullness of time will tell whether they were correct, or were too hasty to condemn.I disagree Steve,
The fullness of time will not tell whether they were correct.
This forum will probably make little difference, but there is quite a large possibility it will make a big difference. Therefore, if only say a 25% chance of success surely they were right to try even if unsuccessful?Also,
If the “forum” is not listened to and acted upon by the BHA – you’re likely to see widespread resignations from the panel and all the bad publicity that comes with it. So for the BHA/Rust to set this thing up without any intention of listening/acting does not make sense.It’s fine to criticise the panel etc, but some on here (not you Steve) don’t want them to try.
Not sure what you mean Ginger.
I am talking about those who are expressing concerns before the forum has had a chance to get started.
Surely when we look at this a few years hence, we will know if the forum has made any impact. If it has done, it will prove the doubters wrong, if it hasn’t made any worthwhile difference, then the sceptics will have been proved correct.
I don’t know who all the applicants were but I would be a little surprised if there wasn’t someone with a bit more to contribute than Tanya, who I now mute when she is about to state the obvious, apparently for the benefit of those who can’t see that there is support for a horse what was 10/1 and who is now 6/1.
I recall a university think tank that spent £125,000 some years ago doing research into alcohol misuse. Their conclusion was that, if you drink excess amounts of alcohol, you are more likely to experience blackouts. Money well spent.
Perhaps that explains my cynicism of leading brains being gathered to form an investigation.
Thanks for the good crack. Time for me to move on. Be lucky.
. Her speciality being “7 out of the last 10 winners have come from the first 3 in betting”.
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