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  • #12222
    Cav
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    Have been looking at steamers/drifters data from BF recently.

    Top 10 trainers whose horse’s BFSP was shorter than its price 10 minutes before the actual off time.

    Turf only – March 2008 to last week. Profit to £100 at BFSP with 5% commission included

    Trainer ………. Profit ………. Wins ………. Runs ………. SR%
    R Hannon ………. 1447 ………. 110 ………. 744 ………. 14.78%
    R A Fahey ………. -10835.1 ………. 88 ………. 629 ………. 13.99%
    M Johnston ………. 6610.6 ………. 110 ………. 602 ………. 18.27%
    M R Channon ………. -5191.9 ………. 66 ………. 572 ………. 11.54%
    K A Ryan ………. -1559.75 ………. 59 ………. 446 ………. 13.23%
    T D Easterby ………. 666.45 ………. 41 ………. 400 ………. 10.25%
    B W Hills ………. -2194.7 ………. 56 ………. 395 ………. 14.18%
    D Nicholls ………. 8291.65 ………. 52 ………. 371 ………. 14.02%
    B J Meehan ………. 5831.65 ………. 46 ………. 344 ………. 13.37%
    P D Evans ………. 5260.15 ………. 48 ………. 333 ………. 14.41%

    and the drifters…..

    Trainer ………. Profit ………. Wins ………. Runs ………. SR%
    R Hannon ………. 2906.05 ………. 114 ………. 798 ………. 14.29%
    M Johnston ………. -10836.15 ………. 81 ………. 687 ………. 11.79%
    M R Channon ………. -30986.7 ………. 50 ………. 683 ………. 7.32%
    R A Fahey ………. 22635.3 ………. 83 ………. 605 ………. 13.72%
    T D Easterby ………. -23081.25 ………. 22 ………. 482 ………. 4.56%
    K A Ryan ………. -4112.4 ………. 45 ………. 451 ………. 9.98%
    D Nicholls ………. 85.2 ………. 41 ………. 426 ………. 9.62%
    B W Hills ………. -5509.65 ………. 42 ………. 375 ………. 11.20%
    P D Evans ………. 1845.35 ………. 28 ………. 353 ………. 7.93%
    Sir Michael Stoute ………. 1048.55 ………. 62 ………. 329 ………. 18.84%

    #241703
    Lewey
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    Interesting data for M Channon, I wonder what the drifter data looks like with Culhane riding.

    #241706
    ricky lake
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    Lewey , you could be on to something (I have been on it sice April )

    Cav as always a damn good post

    cheers

    Ricky

    #241708
    Cav
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    Cheers ricky

    Channon – Culhane…..

    Move ………. Profit ………. Wins ………. Runs ………. SR%
    Drifter ………. -7247 ………. 4 ………. 112 ………. 3.57%
    Steamer ………. -2033.7 ………. 8 ………. 83 ………. 9.64%

    #241709
    Zarkava
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    Very interesting post, thanks. Don’t suppose you have data for Aidan O’B? Would make for interesting reading I think.

    #241710
    rory
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    Extremely interesting stats; cheers Cav.

    #241717
    hoofhearted
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    Excellent work, CR, and valuable stats. Makes for very interesting reading.

    It’s too much to ask or wish, but I would love to see a similar work-up for the ten top NH trainers.

    #241756
    ricky lake
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    Cav , for very interesting reading try G Butler and Hayley Turner , particularily on the aw

    you will be amazed

    Ricky

    #241762
    Cav
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    Rather than clog up the main board with stats I’ll put a more complete analysis (as a one off) in Trends, Research and Notebooks over the next day or two.

    Very interesting…..

    #241786
    Glenn
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    Good stuff Cav.

    However, you have to doubt the worth of these figures when they show Braveheart steamers winning backers a bundle while his drifters lead you to the poor house. He’s always trying so it doesn’t matter what the market says, surely?

    Any figures on my old mate Richard Evans?

    #241788
    Cav
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    See Trends for Evans, Glenn. "Always trying’s" figures confirm what I see on the exchanges most days. "They" always seems to know when it comes to Middleham’s finest.

    #241789
    robnorth
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    Which tells you that those in with a good chance of winning are well backed. It doesn’t say that the others aren’t trying.

    #241792
    Glenn
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    See Trends for Evans, Glenn..

    A 60% loss backing into a circa 103% book. Ouch!

    …and that’s at SP after they’ve drifted!

    #241818
    KevinTHFC
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    For comparison could you put up the figures for each trainer for all runners irrespective of their odds at 10 minutes before the off?

    All the Best

    Kevin

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