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- November 20, 2007 at 11:59 #125864
I believe that MWDS will be a big threat to Kauto this year, but for me this will most likely manifest itself at Kempton rather than Haydock.
Kempton requires slick jumping, especially in the home straight and the run in is relatively short. Kautos jumping is inferior to MWDS’s and i can just imagine how this might pan out
Only proviso is that Kempton can come up quite firm which isnt necessarily to MWDS’s liking
November 20, 2007 at 12:19 #125868According to the excellent RP stable tour facility [b:1ho7a27b]here[/url:1ho7a27b][/b:1ho7a27b] Alan King is quoted about MWDS thus:
“The extra time will have done him no harm as he´s notoriously hard to get fit early on; he does it all so easily on the gallop he´s hard to stretch at home. But we´re getting there … I´m not going to spend much time at this stage worrying about his festival target next March. There is only one Gold Cup, but if we were to play to our strengths we´d go for the Ryanair, because 2m4f to 2m6f is probably his optimum trip. I have a slight question mark over his ability to get 3m2f; remember, he was coming to the end of his tether over 3m in the World Hurdle a couple of years ago. We´ll see.”
Based on those comments re fitness and optimum trip, he surely is far too short for Saturday
November 20, 2007 at 12:46 #125877
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According to the excellent RP stable tour facility [b:1jnaabue]here[/url:1jnaabue][/b:1jnaabue] Alan King is quoted about MWDS thus:
“The extra time will have done him no harm as he´s notoriously hard to get fit early on; he does it all so easily on the gallop he´s hard to stretch at home. But we´re getting there … I´m not going to spend much time at this stage worrying about his festival target next March. There is only one Gold Cup, but if we were to play to our strengths we´d go for the Ryanair, because 2m4f to 2m6f is probably his optimum trip. I have a slight question mark over his ability to get 3m2f; remember, he was coming to the end of his tether over 3m in the World Hurdle a couple of years ago. We´ll see.”
Based on those comments re fitness and optimum trip, he surely is far too short for Saturday
Aye; and for the Gold Cup.
November 20, 2007 at 16:21 #125899Looks a good race but I’m not sure there is a bet to be had. I couldn;t back Kauto at around evs given the way he travelled (or didn’t) at Aintree and My Way de Solzen has clearly needed the run on his reappearance the last two years.
November 20, 2007 at 16:39 #125911Looks like Denman isnt going to run.
Interesting comments from Alan King there too.
Sounds as if maybe he will possibly swerve the Gold Cup and go for the Ryanair next Cheltenham time.
If you take My Way out of the equation as he may need the run and may not get the step back up in trip, add to the fact that Kauto Star and Exotic Dancer weren’t exactly brilliant at Aintree, then there could be a bit of value to be found with some of the other entries in the race who are currently 12/1 bar.
November 20, 2007 at 17:50 #125928
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Even if the lethargic Kauto Star who ran at Aintree were to turn up, he would be too good for these at levels; and he should be appreciably fitter.
The same applies to Exotic Dancer who would earn a good deal more for second place than he would’ve done for winning at Aintree.
Not for the first time, it looks a laydown forecast for these two,imo.November 20, 2007 at 20:11 #125948I can’t see the top three in the betting not finishing as the top three bar a fall. I also can’t see Kauto being beaten so its a couple of tricast bets I reckon.
November 20, 2007 at 23:01 #125992Unless it’s bottomless I’ll be having a lumpy bet on Kauto but I can see Beef Or Salmon running on for a place
November 21, 2007 at 00:01 #126002It’s hard for me to see the reason why Exotic Dancer should finish in front of Kauto Star this time, when he’s failed to do so in 3 previous attempts. He has to make up 20 lengths and Kauto will be 7lbs better off, so it will take some performance to turn that around. People say Kauto didn’t travel at Aintree, but he still came out of the race by far the better horse than his opponents and his RPR of 182 is only 2 short of his best lifetime rating. Not bad for a horse that didn’t travel, imagine what he will do when he does and maybe over the longer distance on Saturday he will!
November 21, 2007 at 05:27 #126011I wouldn’t back KS at his current price if i was given a free bet .
November 21, 2007 at 07:25 #126017I wouldn’t back KS at his current price if i was given a free bet .
Bet you wouldn’t lay him at either.
I took evens the minute I saw the betting.
Unless he blunders his way out of the race it will be over in matter of strides going toward the second last.
He’s the best horse in the country who is most likely going to get a lead from a horse who would not be at his best at this trip. I think he’s a nailed on certainty bar a fall.
November 21, 2007 at 08:53 #126023FoF
Unless race cuts up badly. EW goes pink on Saturday at current odds
November 21, 2007 at 08:54 #126024Looks like AP wont be riding Exotic Dancer either on Saturday.
Looks like he will probably be riding Wichita Lineman at Ascot instead.
November 21, 2007 at 11:08 #126045
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Looks like AP wont be riding Exotic Dancer either on Saturday.
Looks like he will probably be riding Wichita Lineman at Ascot instead.
KT
The report didn’t actually say that.Personally, I’d be surprised if he wasn’t on Exotic Dancer,
November 21, 2007 at 11:26 #126053I wouldn’t. If Wichita Lineman runs McCoy will be on him. I’m sure McManus doesn’t pay him all that money to be dictated to.
November 21, 2007 at 12:56 #126070
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I wouldn’t. If Wichita Lineman runs McCoy will be on him. I’m sure McManus doesn’t pay him all that money to be dictated to.
Aragorn
Can’t see where I said that?
November 21, 2007 at 13:18 #126075Kauto Star needed the run last time out ("the other day"
).Bearing that in mind and with last year’s Haydock mightily impressive performance/victory imprinted on my brain, I think barring accidents, KS should win again.
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