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Fair play to FoF for putting his neck on the line, but it would take a great leap of faith to believe that Binocular is something really special. To call the Supreme a strong race ignores the fact that there were no genuinely outstanding contenders coming into the race and it must rank, on the whole, as one of the poorer versions in recent years, for all the first two are very likeable types. Binocular has every chance of winning at Aintree as I doubt the race is up Franchoek’s street, but it’s hardly likely to show him as a prospective champion hurdler.
I appreciate what your saying but I can’t agree the supreme ranks as one of the poorest. Going into it we had an open market but coming out of it we have got some real good horses in the making.
Captain Cee Bee is supposidly very special which was unknown to me until Alastair Down commented that he was told by a jockey who rode against him he was the best novice hurdler in Irleland. He certainly looks very special to me. Other like Rippling Ring still in his summer coat was cruising 2 out…..he looks a real prospect to my once aclimatised…Ferdy Murphy’s Khalahri King is another who will be seen in top class races next year. Blue Balan is one that I know Andrew Turnell thinks the world off and he never got a blow in and behind him you had last years bumper winner………potentially certainly not the worst Supreme Hurdle by along way.
Captain Cee Bee and Binocular left a lot of good horses in their wake. The big difference is Binocular is a 4 year old with very little experience. Don’t forget only one 4 year old has won it in almost 40 years……Steve Smith Eccles reckons he’s a certainty to go right to the top and is one of the best he has seen BTW and I stand by what I said the day he won at Ascot
I think he’ll be right there as one of the front challengers for the Champion Hurdle next year…..he’s already proved he can take on good horses somthing too many on here doubted……how anyone can doubt he is a class horse with enormous potential is beyong me….win lose or draw at Aintree I don’t care….I’ll back him for plenty to find out but it’s next season I cant wait to see……….not only him I think we are approaching one of the best era in Chasing and Hurdling for many Years.
Master Minded, Rippling Ring, Albertas Run, Captain Cee Bee, Celestial Halo, Franchoek, Crack Away Jack, Katchit and Osana, Tidal Bay, Thyne Again, Sizing Europe, Khalahari King, Tazbar, Won in the Dark and Cousin Vinny all look like having great futures ahead of them.
A quick look back at the last two years at the winners at Cheltenham will give you an idea of how bad an era we have just gone through.
We shouldn’t forget that Binocular received weight from Captain Cee Bee and the Supreme looked a dismal renewal on paper – the third and fourth do little to alter that view imo.
Hopefully Binny will line up at Aintree though – a chance to put the value of the Supreme Novices’ form to the test.
PS I was enjoying reading your defence, Fists, until you mentioned Steve Smith Eccles……
Very good Fists…
I have to say Im in agreement on Binocular,he is a class act, I said literally the second the race at ascot finished that I thought we’d just seen the Triumph winner, and wheras Im not sure if he would have enjoyed an end to end slog in the triumph, he definitely looks the best of the 4yo diviison at 2miles.
This years Supreme Novice looked pretty good on paper pre-race and I remember Nicholls saying on his press day that we would be hearing a lot more about Rippling Ring by the end of the season, he was heavily backed and I would say he was expected to win, Binocular moved away from him quite easily, so to a slightly lesser extent so did Captain Cee Bee but Captain Cee Bee as the stronger up the Hill. It looked to be a decent enough supreme Novice to me, and certainly much better than last years.
As I have already said I would like to see better ground at aintree so that he can employ his speed to better use, and if he gets it I thhink he could runaway with the race, but either way Binocular and possibly Cptain Cee Bee look like sure fire entrys in my Ten To Follow next season as Binocular is very versatile and should pick up a fair few races next term, Captain Cee Bee looks a real class act but he has missed plenty of entries.this term, but Harty seemed pretty convinced he only liked good ground before he won on bad ground at chelto, so he may run him more next season.
I think Captain Cee Bee looks exciting. He looks so imposing and his future looks definitely in the chasing game.
JohnJ
"I said literally the second the race at ascot finished that I thought we’d just seen the Triumph winner,"
I said the very same thing a half a second before the race finished!
Colin
"I said literally the second the race at ascot finished that I thought we’d just seen the Triumph winner,"
I said the very same thing a half a second before the race finished!
Colin
Great minds Colin
Bulwark,
While the proof of the pudding will come in time, what evidence was there that the Supreme Novices looked a good race on paper? No outstanding candidate and an open betting event, but with the exception of the front two (and perhaps Rippling Ring in time), the others all had something to prove?
He definately grabbed some of our imaginations I was Champion Hurdle posting
JJ you mention Captain Cee Bee and chasing……..I can tell you when I read Eddie Harty being quoted as saying he was going for the Champion Hurdle I was flabbergasted.
He looks a great stamp of a horse and has chaser written all over him.
Binny is a much more compact hurdling type who should retain his hurdling but CCB I’m not so sure about……..I wouldnt mind a bet they change thier minds and he goes chasing and ends up in the Arkle.
Bulwark,
While the proof of the pudding will come in time, what evidence was there that the Supreme Novices looked a good race on paper? No outstanding candidate and an open betting event, but with the exception of the front two (and perhaps Rippling Ring in time), the others all had something to prove?
On paper there isn’t Smithy no one can say there is, but potentially it looks like more than a few good horses could come out the race ..but very seldom is it any different………we can all be wise after the fact but the name of the game is trying to be wise before the fact……….doesn’t mean we are right.
Smithy if you mean by evidence of a decent renewal through high ratings going into the race, then no there is not, a lot of lightly raced horses in the 130s and several in the 140s. But there was plenty of exciting looking horses in the race unlike last last years.
Some of which, like khyber Kim and Deep Purple Purple etc haven’t given their running but I fail to believe that of all the exciting horses that turned out that none have put in improvement and it is a weak renewal, I think that in time it will prove to have been a decent supreme novice.
If you start with the winner and work back through all the talking horses of the season, and most have IMHO shown at least some hints of ability about them. Time will tell if indeed none of them have improved and it has been weak, but I am of the opinion that was good, like I say I thought it looked decent beforehand, decent in running and decent after.
Is E.P. Harty the trainer the Eddie Harty who used to ride over here for Toby Balding? and others.
The trainer didn’t look like the jockey that I remember but it was all such a long time ago.
Colin
Read a report on Edward Harty before cheltenham, can’t remeber what his origins are but think that Captain Cee Bee was bought by his father, and his cousin is Sabrina Harty that trained the triumph third Won In The Dark. Can’t remember what he did before he started into racing but don’t think he’s an Ex jock though, the report should be in the RP cuttings library somewhere…
Is E.P. Harty the trainer the Eddie Harty who used to ride over here for Toby Balding? and others.
The trainer didn’t look like the jockey that I remember but it was all such a long time ago.
Colin
The very same man who rode Highland Wedding when he won the national……face has done a lot of miles since then
the only thing is he’d be 150 yeras old now……..it’s his son Colin
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