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  • #1452052
    Avatar photoGingertipster
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    Battaash isn’t just the best sprinter, he’s the best racehorse of 2019.

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    #1452058
    ham
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    He definitely isnt.

    #1452067
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    He is the best racehorse based on an individual performance not the year combined

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    #1452081
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    Other horses may be more consistent, Nathan. But Battaash is the horse that can put up the best performance. That means his best form is better than any other horse can put up at their best. ie Battaash is the best racehorse.

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    If judging the best by Ratings then yes.
    I’m happy not to do that.
    But delighted Crystal Ocean has been overtaken on ratings as he is overrated

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    You are wrong Nathan – Sheldon Cooper knows best and don’t you forget it.

    #1452088
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    Sheldon knows too much Matron but thankfully I will forget it as I forget everything

    Its no good being officially the highest rated horse if you are a serial loser like Crystal Ocean
    I’d take Enables wins and Prize money any day of the week over an inflated rating
    Anyone thinking a rating is a Holy Grail over actually races won and Prize money need help

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    #1452089
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    No ginger thats seriously incorrect

    Its so far incorrect its not even in the scale of incorrect

    Its utter nonsense

    “Battash can put up the best perforamce of all horses in 2019” jeeeeesus. I thank the lord himself that your merely a punter and not a handicapper

    His form is not better than every orher horse either thats also just idiotic.

    If timeform say something your like a dog with a new chewtoy.

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    …And yet you can not say why, ham. ;-)

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    #1452091
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    You’re yet again using a straw man arguement, Nathan.

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    #1452092
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    What would you rather have if you owned a racehorse ginger.??
    Timeform highest rated with 1 group 1
    or a 1 lb worse off rating but 2 x Arc and 2 x KG
    Simple as that Straw man

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    #1452093
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    Timeform ratings are for individual performances aren’t they. Inasmuch as you can judge a sprinter against a middle distance horse (like judging a champion hurdler against a 3m staying chaser) I’d say bolting home alone with nothing to race against in a course record time is worthy of the top rating. Ok he didn’t beat much but the time tells its own story. The fact that he wouldn’t win over 6f on soft or if he went bonkers at the start again is neither here nor there. For consistency, versatility in trip and finding a way to win in the face of any ground conditions, team tactics, lack of race fitness etc then Enable and probably Stradivarius are better racehorses. But for one stellar performance the Nunthorpe was it.

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    Ratings are not the holy grail, never said they are. But they do show how good each horse is at their bests.
    Enable has the best consistency, which is a wonderful asset but different.
    Battaash has the best form – best form rating, which means at their bests Battaash is the best.

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    Sorry Nathan I missed where you had said that about individual vs all year performance.
    As regards who would I rather own out of Battaash, Enable, Stradivarius and Crystal Ocean…
    the latter, for the stud value!
    If just for the sake of the racing career- Enable probably, with Stradivarius a close second.

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    Yes, interesting point regard the stud value

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    #1452097
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    Timeform highest rating with 1 Group 1

    Not that it has anything to do with how high a rating can be, but Battaash has won 2 Group 1’s. 2017 Abbeye the other one.

    Battaash has also put up 6 individual Timeform performance ratings of 130+ in his life. Enable has just 1 to her name, albeit would be 4 if adding the 3 lb allowance.

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    I was talking about CO with the 1 group 1
    and I’m well aware of how good Battaash is
    I was the only one in TTF Competition to originally pick him including subs I believe

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