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    Avatar photoSirHarryLewis
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    I hate people who are constantly cribbing jockeys when there selections are just not good enough. I reckon ,like them, I wouldnt know a bad ride anyway if I saw it.

    With that said, I backed both Simenon and Altano today in the Gold Cup. The latter e.w at prices up to 40. I was kinda thinking that as a guaranteed stayer, he would be pretty hard on the pace turning in which he wasnt and he finished very strongly in the last furlong.

    Now, is that a bad ride or is it more a case of horse, needing to be held up to settle, perhaps handling the track awkwardly and just passing a few that made there move too soon????? Would a local jock have done better.

    Incidentally, the pace didnt look too quick and I didnt see the time. A number of trainers were complaining about the pace last year (John Ox). If so, why don’t they put in a pacemaker?

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    SHL,
    Altano’s best four performances prior to today were all held up or raced in mid-division. Normally a consistent sort but disappointed only run ridden prominently. Today was a career best for Altano. 90% of todays field were "guaranteed stayers", so don’t see why he should’ve been ridden "hard on the pace" SHL.

    Simenon was held up to win two at Royal Ascot last year and has since been ridden that way.

    Both horses best held up.

    Gold Cup wasn’t a strongly run race, but not slow either. A jockey needs to make a decision early in a race; there were enough prominent runners in today’s races to expect a fair pace.

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    I hate people who are constantly cribbing jockeys when there selections are just not good enough. I reckon I like them wouldnt know a bad ride anyway if I saw it.

    With that said, I backed both Simenon and Altano today in the Gold Cup. The latter e.w at prices up to 40. I was kinda thinking that as a guaranteed stayer, he would be pretty hard on the pace turning in which he wasnt and he finished very strongly in the last furlong.

    Now, is that a bad ride or is it more a case of horse, needing to be held up to settle, perhaps handling the track awkwardly and just passing a few that made there move too soon????? Would a local jock have done better.

    Incidentally, the pace didnt look too quick and I didnt see the time. A number of trainers were complaining about the pace last year (John Ox). If so, why don’t they put in a pacemaker?

    SHL

    SHL,
    Altano’s best four performances prior to today were all held up or raced in mid-division. Normally a consistent sort but disappointed only run ridden prominently. Today was a career best for Altano. 90% of todays field were "guaranteed stayers", so don’t see why he should’ve been ridden "hard on the pace" SHL.

    Fair enough Ginger. Ive seen a lot of his races and I find it remarkable how much of his best work in done in the final half furlong. But your right that this was a career best and he did hang a bit as well.

    And while we say these horses are all stayers, I think that extra four furlongs can make a bit of difference though, especially if the pace is true.

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    Off the mark slightly, but just watch Spencer on Feyhadi in the 4-25. Now that was bad ride and one that must be backed next time hopefully with a decent jockey on.
    That was how to lose a race.
    The stewards inquired and this is from the BHA website "Jamie Spencer, the rider of FEHAYDI, unplaced, reported that the colt was denied a clear run"
    Denied or did he purposely find trouble. Watch and make up your mind.
    I have made up mind.

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    Avatar photoSirHarryLewis
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    Off the mark slightly, but just watch Spencer on Feyhadi in the 4-25. Now that was bad ride and one that must be backed next time hopefully with a decent jockey on.
    That was how to lose a race.
    The stewards inquired and this is from the BHA website "Jamie Spencer, the rider of FEHAYDI, unplaced, reported that the colt was denied a clear run"
    Denied or did he purposely find trouble. Watch and make up your mind.
    I have made up mind.

    Havent seen the race but I imagine that this being Royal Ascot, this jockey was trying his utmost. This might be a bad ride or simply the hard luck one has to put up with when one rides a hold up horse. Its frustrating I know.

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    Off the mark slightly, but just watch Spencer on Feyhadi in the 4-25. Now that was bad ride and one that must be backed next time hopefully with a decent jockey on.
    That was how to lose a race.
    The stewards inquired and this is from the BHA website "Jamie Spencer, the rider of FEHAYDI, unplaced, reported that the colt was denied a clear run"
    Denied or did he purposely find trouble. Watch and make up your mind.
    I have made up mind.

    Hmm. See what you mean. Just looked at the video. A great example of how not to win a race – leave yourself behind a wall of horses, then try too late in the day to weave a way through.

    #443549
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    What about Battle of Marengo? Hit the front too soon.Same ride as in the Derby.Same result!

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    I’ve been infuriated with Spencer and Hughes this week. Getting boxed in and attempting the impossible in handicaps, then giving their better horses perfect rides away from any trouble.

    The track is massive and yet they’re running behind tons of horses and trying to sneek through small gaps – no need at all.

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    I’m getting sick and tired of it all now.

    Two rides this week spoke volumes of everything that is wrong with racing…

    1) A young 7lb claimer Daniel Muscutt receiving a 7 day ban for not obtaining the best possible position….missing out on 3rd place in a 6 horse race by about a head……a 3rd place that would have made no difference to punters who had backed each way or had it in the placepot….all this on a horse that appeared to not settle very well and looked a bit of a tricky ride…..the lad also dropped his whip a couple of furlongs out which didn’t help much….

    2) The current Champion jockey Richard Hughes and his shambolic effort from start to finish on well backed co favourite Stirring Ballad in the Hunt Cup on Wednesday where even a little bit better ride and a tiny percentage more of effort he could easily have finished in front of at least 15 (if not more) of the horses that finished in front of him….

    Where is the consistency in those two rides??

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    What about Battle of Marengo? Hit the front too soon.Same ride as in the Derby.Same result!

    Surprised me when Joseph went for home so soon Andyod. It’s ok to set a slow pace, but BOM appeared barely to get home in the Derby. So why make it a test of stamina over the same trip? Agreed, poor ride.

    Glad he did though, Hillstar would not have settled as easily without it.

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