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“I’m old fashioned and don’t think pacemakers should be allowed.”
That’s VERY old fashioned – Bustino had two pacemakers in 1975.
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It's the "Millwall FC" of Point broadcasts: "No One Likes Us - We Don't Care"Do the rules actually allow pacemakers? I thought all horses had to be ridden to win or failing that to obtain the best possible position?
IIRC Bustino had a sprinter and a miler in with him in 1975.
Given both would have probably pulled like trains if not allowed to go their natural racing pace, it could be argued they WERE ridden on their merits, but didn’t have much merit in the context of that race.
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It's the "Millwall FC" of Point broadcasts: "No One Likes Us - We Don't Care"Cape Cross deemed a “pacemaker” took the Lockinge and has become a significant sire. Serpentine stole the Derby although AOB would state he was there on his own merit, do I like them no and I don’t believe so called pacemakers are permitted but a trainer will state they are running on merit.
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Maroof won the QE2 at 66/1 when he was thought to be a pacemaker.
Ideally pacemakers should be declared as such. Then punters can make a more informed decision about whether or not to back them.
But what if a horse is declared as a pacemaker and wins?
And what if it shortened in the betting?
I see the whole subject as a minefield tbh.
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It's the "Millwall FC" of Point broadcasts: "No One Likes Us - We Don't Care"Yes, I admit it is not straightforward. Collectively we have already identified pacemakers that have won.
Do other countries have different rules? I am sure Hong Kong and Australia have something about pacemakers or having to declare if different tactics are going to be used.
Maroof was the one I was trying to think of.
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From the Rules of Racing as they were in 1913 (taken from a racing annual of that year in my library):
139. An owner running two or more horses in a race may declare to win with one of them, and such declaration must be made at scale. A jockey riding a horse with which the owner has not declared to win, must on no account stop such horse, except in favour of the stable companion on whose behalf declaration to win has been made.
In the results section, there are comments to the effect that ‘Mr X declared to win with horse A’ and this info would have been posted on the number boards at the course.
It didn’t always work, as the 1896 Stewards Cup demonstrated. Owner Mr Rolt ran two and made a declaration to win in favour of Collingwood, whom he then backed to the tune of £1,000 at prices down to 6/1 at the off. With a furlong to run his two horses were seen to be clear of the rest, but the jockey on the ‘non trier’ The Cur later claimed he wasn’t sure that the other horse was Collingwood or another one with similar colours. So he kept riding and won by a head. Mr Rolt was furious and lodged an objection against his own winner! But the result stood and his bet was lost.
Does that rule still stand, might explain the Irish Derby.
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That was a hoot AP with poor Mr Rolt. No doubt he didn’t
use the services of the winner’s jockey again. If this
rule is still in place, I don’t recall ever seeing any
notification displaying information that a trainer was
not entering a horse to win. Seems a bit bizarre.Richard Hills won the QE2 on a pacemaker again in 2001 riding Summoner .
No pacemakers allowed in OZ , Ballydoyle had a bit of grief a few years back when they had a horse in Melbourne Cup that went out hard early . Any dramatic change in normal race pattern of a horse is announced on course to punters in OZ .2008 Melbourne Cup it was , Alessandro Volta and Honolulu went out hard and were gone early , Septimus was the favored Ballydoyle runner , Ozzies werent impressed at all .
I know Bullet Train “helped” Frankel like he needed it but it seems a prevalent tactic used by Ballydoyle. Do Godolphin and Shadwell for example employ this so frequently if at all.
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There was no need for a pacemaker in such a big field. The two Ballydoyle horses opened the gap for Luxembourg once they entered the straight.
I thought that was creating an unfair advantage and forcing others to go wide or get a bit stuck on the inside like King of Steel.
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