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  • #192592
    Fist of Fury 2k8
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    Perhaps Terry should think of bringing a few young fillies into the yard. That might get his fire going again :wink:

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    Didn’t notice this here which is why I made Tatenen thread elsewhere. Well just to repeat myself, Tatenen’s form looks worse by the day in that those he’s beat are looking more and more like trees over fences so the form isn’t great. Also the ground factor and fact its not likely to be so soft in March is also against him.
    Given the form or lack of it from Ferdy so far this year, Kalahari King could be the bet and I think he’ll be more suited to a 2m Chase than a 2m hurdle race as he just didn’t get home in the Supreme. That said we’ve haven’t seen much yet and plenty of Festival winners haven’t shown up this early in the past.

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    Kalahari King won over two and a half miles at Punchestown on his final start last season – I like an Arkle contender who has demonstrated form over further.

    His fourth in the Supreme Novices’ reads well, finding only Captain Cee Bee, Binocular and Snap Tie too good. His jumping thus far has been sound and Cast Iron Casey, whom he beat on his chase debut, has won since (beating Chief Dan George into third).

    I just question whether he has that ‘X’ factor you need to win an Arkle. Place prospects at the moment, but I’d be surprised (and disappointed) if there isn’t one or two better than him.

    #192930
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    Didn’t notice this here which is why I made Tatenen thread elsewhere. Well just to repeat myself, Tatenen’s form looks worse by the day in that those he’s beat are looking more and more like trees over fences so the form isn’t great. Also the ground factor and fact its not likely to be so soft in March is also against him.
    Given the form or lack of it from Ferdy so far this year, Kalahari King could be the bet and I think he’ll be more suited to a 2m Chase than a 2m hurdle race as he just didn’t get home in the Supreme. That said we’ve haven’t seen much yet and plenty of Festival winners haven’t shown up this early in the past.

    I read you comments on Straw Bear across the way and agree he is a total disapointment.

    Straw Bear is a weird character I was sure after his first run he would go on to better things..obviously not but he was pretty much the same over hurdles. When you expected him to run well he lets you down big time.
    No doubt he’ll take it into his head one day and win when no one bar his connections want him to.

    On what you said about Tatenen, I think to try and base on how good novices are on what they beat can be a huge mistake. Tatenen beat The Duke’s Speech a 33/1 shot by an easy 11 lengths and the chances are the 2 will never meet again as weight probably could’t bring the 2 together……something has to finish second to these good horses.I would be totally ignoring anything TDS does it’s totally irrelevant.

    He’s not my idea of an Arkle horse but if PN says he is who am I to argue.
    I still feel Kalahari King will get to the Arkle probably unbeaten as I doubt if Ferdy will ask too much of him beforehand. Apparently he will run twice more before the Arkle once before Xmas and once around Feb so he should go there ready to run for his life.

    Like yourself and Bos though I will be disappointed, if not from a financial point of view, but from a racing point of view if something better doesn’t turn up soon. Mind you Tidal Bay has them all shaking in their boots so I doubt if we will see one as good as him.

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    So pleased to see Araldur win just now in the Henry VIII novice chase at Sandown. He is thought of very highly at Barbury Castle and has a fantastic attitude to his racing, as we have just seen there.

    Fantastic battle with Free World there, who has been talked about as going for the Arkle by his trainer and connections.

    #194897
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    Got a bit of 33s on him this morning, thought that with a rating of 143 at this time of year was quite high for as horse with a race record sitting at 33s. Really game performance Gaz.

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    According to Alan King he isn’t likely to go for the Arkle unless its a bog. Can’t say I disagree he looks a bit short of pace and looks likely to be suited by stepping up in trip.

    #194901
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    Well done Bulwark, good value you have got there.

    I have seen him being schooled a few times at home, and he looks a really good jumper, and i think he is a horse who would go well in the Arkle. He is only a 4 year old too, and he has a fair bit of scope for improvement. Cant remember where the horse will be going next, but i hope it is all pointing to the Arkle.

    #194930
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    With Claisse finally getting the hang of what constitutes Good-to-Soft last year, I can’t see any other target than the Arkle for Araldur. He is going to be too highly handicapped for something like the Grand Annual anyway, and I’d say he’s a cert to represent the stable in the novice race.

    I backed him at 20/1 straight after today’s run, and doff my cap to those who had the faith to get on before the event. This horse doesn’t know when he’s beaten, and will absolutely fly up the hill. He has a fair bit to go on form to emulate him, but his style is very reminscent of Viking Flagship, which is hardly a negative.

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    The Cheltenham hill will obviously play to Araldur’s strengths, but I still can’t see him touching the likes of Tatenen, I’msingingtheblues and Kalahari King. The original 33/1 would be as short as I’d ever want to go.

    #194961
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    Araldur has a progressive profile, the form looks rock-solid, and in winning today he has achieved a deal more than Kalahari King has over fences at this stage. The horses in behind were no mugs, and they were beaten a distance, off a strong pace.

    If you fancy laying me some 32/1, feel free to PM me. :wink:

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    I was very impressed with his attitude today and Cheltenham will play to his strengths. It takes more than a talented horse to win the Arkle – you need to have the necessary battling qualities, too and this horse appears to have them in abundance.

    I like him and it will interesting to see how he progresses between now and March.

    For those of you interested, Calgary Bay is declared to run in the 1.10 at Warwick tomorrow.[/color:18zm94on]

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    Bos’…would you rule out today’s second as an Arkle winner on this evidence? The Racing Post has in its results section. I agree the winner looked really game but the Arkle has been ruled out for him, apparently.
    The pair were 36 lengths clear, a remarkable margin given the trip, and I can only have Breedsbreeze (may have other targets) and Tatenen as in the same league currently. They bought Free World to try to win the Arkle and there are few other alternatives. 20/1 looks far too big now.

    #195062
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    If they moved him elsewhere he could well become top notch (I agree he has the physique of a chaser) but I can’t help thinking Hen and Terry have lost it.

    I see Calgary Bay runs today at Warwick over 2mles with none other than AP in the saddle…………here’s the plan :wink: Back him now for 20pts at 40/1 EW for the Arkle….back him to win 20pts today………if he wins well he’ll be cut to 16/1 or around that and you have a bet for nothing…if he loses today, it was your idea :lol:

    #195151
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    Alan King said yesterday that Araldur would almost certainly NOT go for the Arkle. He also said that he won’t be sending him over 3 miles. When he sees what mark the handicapper gives to his horse, he won’t fancy the Jewson either! I think he’s still as likely to go for the Arkle than anything else.

    #195161
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    You would also have needed an axe to wipe the smile off his face, Friggo.

    And he quickly followed up his assertion that "He is not an Arkle horse" with the statements "He will obviously get an Arkle entry" and "I’ve been known to change my mind" – all the while looking like he was trying very hard not to piss himself laughing! :mrgreen:

    He’s handicapped out of the Jewson already, and the only other potential target outside the Arkle is the Festival Chase. It’s a similar story to the yes/no/maybe that we went through with My Way De Solzen, and I’m fully expecting to see him run in the novice event.

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    Bos’…would you rule out today’s second as an Arkle winner on this evidence? The Racing Post has in its results section. I agree the winner looked really game but the Arkle has been ruled out for him, apparently.

    The pair were 36 lengths clear, a remarkable margin given the trip, and I can only have Breedsbreeze (may have other targets) and Tatenen as in the same league currently. They bought Free World to try to win the Arkle and there are few other alternatives. 20/1 looks far too big now.

    I wouldn’t rule him out completely, but I’d be surprised if he has the necesary attributes to win the race. He wouldn’t be the classiest horse in the race and I questioned his tenacity before yesterdays race and I’m still not convinced about him in that department. You need to be tough to win an Arkle.

    A piece of form you might find interesting. Calgary Bay gave him 6lbs and a 6L beating when they were second and fourth, respectively, in a novice hurdle last year. There’s a big difference between a novice hurdle and novice chase, but I’d be very surprised if Free World has the same physical potential for fences that CB has.

    Calgary Bay is declared to run at Doncaster on Friday. At the five day stage, Imsingingtheblues, Deep Purple, French Opera and Afsoun are also entered.

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