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  • #6953
    Fist of Fury 2k8
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    I hope no one thinks this should be in the Cheltenham forum I thought it better posted on here.

    The Sporting life has woken up to a fact we have been going on about for nearly 4 months. Today for a short time they had a full page article on Denman V Kauto which was replaced within a couple of hours.

    .A while back many of us were already saying Kauto was the best horse since Dessie including big Denman fan "Himself" I of course had gone back 40 years and said he was the best since Arkle :lol:

    But aren’t these newspapers getting paid for old rope. For me there hasn’t been anywhere near enough hype if we could spot the showdown why haven’t they in the interest of racing been doing more?

    When Denman won the Hennessy none other than Cormack started a thread that began the hype on here. Many members immediately were touting a Kauto V Denman showdown and Bekster was another member who saw it coming and started another thread.

    Kauto Star was an amazing 5/2 for the Gold Cup all that week such was the buzz on Denman.

    How many times the biggest showdown for 40 years has been mentioned on here is anyone’s guess.

    GUYS I am somewhat cut off at times and don’t get sporting/racing newspapers here……can’t be bothered with them anyway BUT what are your opinions are the newspapers doing enough to promote racing through the race or not?

    I would like to see the Racing Post and all the other paper’s Sundays and daily’s alike carry stories like "The Greatest Horse race in History?" " Biggest Horse Race for 40 years" " Kauto V Denman will stop Traffic"

    Just whatever they can think of to hype the hell out of it’

    They do that and grab people’s attention and it does turn out to be a great race the amount of people drawn to the sport could be countless.

    If the UK was the USA there would be billboards all over the shop weeks before the race. You wouldn’t be able to turn on a TV channel without seeing adverts….Why are the BHA or whoever not promoting this everywhere can’t they see the value in it?

    To get an example of what one event can do for a sport I cast my mind back to the early 70"s . I was a member if the Kobe Osaka Karate club in the UK. We had over 100 members and were considered a big club. Along came a little guy from Hong Kong called Bruce Lee who made a movie called Enter the Dragon.

    That one movie increased the membership of that club alone to over 6000 members in matter of months. Millions of people joined clubs all over the world as the club owners took total advantage of a once in a lifetime opportunity.

    Racing has a great opportunity to promote the sport IMO and they seem to be sitting on their fat asses doing nothing……How do you as racing fans feel…….are they missing a chance or not?

    #148318
    PAULCS
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    Totally agree Fist – Channel 4’s trailer for Cheltenham doesn’t even mention the Gold Cup!

    They have produced a Kauto v Denman trailer but they only seem to be showing that during their racing output so the general public aren’t seeing it.

    The excellent Sporting Life features have been moved to their Cheltenham microsite and T-shirts featuring both horses are also on sale but the colours are hideous!

    #148333
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    This will be the first time that Kauto and Denman have clashed, as it were, unlike Arkle v Mill House, who of course had raced against one another prior to their legendary first Cheltenham meeting.

    Incidentally FOF, I still think Kauto Star is the best since Desert Orchid. Had this forthcoming clash been earmarked for Kempton instead, there would only be one winner (imo) – Kauto Star !

    However, I have taken the view that Denman is a better jumper, stays better, is more powerful, is a stronger galloper and is still improving – therefore, is the better equiped of the two to win this year’s renewal over the 3m 2f undulating course at Cheltenham – which will be run at a much faster pace than last year’s race and which (hopefully ) will test every inch of Kauto’s stamina.

    Hey, come to think of it – maybe this thread should be in the Cheltenham Forum afterall. :wink:

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    #148335
    Fist of Fury 2k8
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    Only if we trurn it into ANOTHER analyzation of the race which I am sure people won’t :wink:

    #148340
    yeats
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    I would like to see the Racing Post and all the other paper’s Sundays and daily’s alike carry stories like "The Greatest Horse race in History?" " Biggest Horse Race for 40 years" " Kauto V Denman will stop Traffic"

    Just whatever they can think of to hype the hell out of it’

    They do that and grab people’s attention and it does turn out to be a great race the amount of people drawn to the sport could be countless.

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    Unfortunately I just can’t see it whatever happens, most people don’t give a monkeys about racing and that wont change whatever happens between Denman and Kauto Star. How many people did Arkle attract to the sport or Red Rum or Frankies 7 timer. How many people has Tony McCoy attracted to the sport?
    The clash has had more than enough hype for me anyway, sorry but countless people attracted to sport is cloud cuckoo land for me.

    #148346
    apracing
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    If you had never watched a football match in your life, how would you be able to distinguish between Man Utd v Arsenal and Oldham v Leyton Orient.

    We can appreciate KS v Denman because most of us can remember other Gold Cups that allow us to put this one into perspective, and because we’ve seen the horses develop towards this duel over the last three years.

    I just don’t see how a novice to the sport can get it, any more than someone that had never seen a cricket match would have ‘got’ the final day of the 2005 Ashes at The Oval. The most thrilling cricket in this country for twenty years and there wasn’t even a result, just a draw.

    When Desert Orchid won at Cheltenham, it was the aftermath that got people interested – the pictures from the winners enclosure with the crowd cheering that made it obvious how much it mattered to those close to the sport were what captured the public imagination. Anyone who saw the BBC coverage of his next race at Aintree will remember the totally over the top presentation, never seen before or since.

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    #148350
    Fist of Fury 2k8
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    I would like to see the Racing Post and all the other paper’s Sundays and daily’s alike carry stories like "The Greatest Horse race in History?" " Biggest Horse Race for 40 years" " Kauto V Denman will stop Traffic"

    Just whatever they can think of to hype the hell out of it’

    They do that and grab people’s attention and it does turn out to be a great race the amount of people drawn to the sport could be countless.

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    Unfortunately I just can’t see it whatever happens, most people don’t give a monkeys about racing and that wont change whatever happens between Denman and Kauto Star. How many people did Arkle attract to the sport or Red Rum or Frankies 7 timer. How many people has Tony McCoy attracted to the sport?
    The clash has had more than enough hype for me anyway, sorry but countless people attracted to sport is cloud cuckoo land for me.

    In answer to your question Re: Arkle probably about 30% plus of the adult population of the time will have watched him run at one time or another all of Ireland and me :lol: The BBC I believe moved Arkle V Mill House ito a Saturday so may people wanted to see it…….the streets of my village was empty when it was on TV……….race course were full to breaking point racing and no racing people alike when he ran……at the Gallagher Gold cup at Sandown was like a Wembley Scotland V England football match.

    Millions watched Red Rum and many flocked to the National just for a glimpse…the horse opened supermarkets and the crowds gathered for a glimpse! every sport has stars promoted properly you bring more people in like no doubt Akle and Red Rum did big time.

    Dessie was no where near as popular granted and who the heck is Tony McCoy he’s hardly Ronaldo…….girls like him :lol: Tony? Uh Uh!

    #148352
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    I am with Fist here.

    This is an excellent chance to widen racings catchment.

    The public are sheep. Why do you think the Sun has influence over elections etc If something is widely publicised then they will watch it.
    I.e. last winter Olympics – big late night vierwing figures watching Curling!! Or watched Amir Kahn fight in his Olympics – or Ricky hatten fight against Floyd M. I.e. Hype and interest in the media brings a connection toe the event and people want to see what happens.

    I would argue if you asked 100 non racing fans to name a horse – that over half would say Red Rum. I.e. his impact and media coverage was large at the time.

    The fact that this is a ‘match’ bet (in the betting public’s eyes) gives it even more of an edge. there should be Billboards with their images on and I would love to see 30 seconds adverts (or even shorter) building this up.

    I guess the negative argument is that people will be working and will not be able to see it anyhow.

    However, I would argue that people will knock off early (if interested) on a Friday to see it and if not, will be looking for the result that night to see who won. i.e. showing an interest in the sport.

    We know attendence wise that this is a very popular sport – we also know, lots attend just for the booze and socialising. This is one chance to also interest these people with a connection to racing to focus in on the horses.

    #148356
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    I am with Fist here.

    This is an excellent chance to widen racings catchment.

    The public are sheep. Why do you think the Sun has influence over elections etc If something is widely publicised then they will watch it.
    I.e. last winter Olympics – big late night vierwing figures watching Curling!! Or watched Amir Kahn fight in his Olympics – or Ricky hatten fight against Floyd M. I.e. Hype and interest in the media brings a connection toe the event and people want to see what happens.

    I would argue if you asked 100 non racing fans to name a horse – that over half would say Red Rum. I.e. his impact and media coverage was large at the time.

    I didn’t watch it at the time but how many have stayed with curling since? or boxing after Khan? I certainly didn’t pay £15 or whatever it was to watch the Hatton fight. When Red Rum was in his prime and he certainly did create some interest, quite rightly too, weren’t crowds at an all time low at Aintree and the race nearly cease there.
    Racing coverage on TV particularly on BBC is aimed at non existent people rather than people who actually want to watch it.notice the inane emails they answer at Royal Ascot etc. i’m sure they make some up :D

    #148360
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    Had an e-mail this morning from Cheltenham racecourse, telling me there are still tickets for sale, even on Gold Cup day.

    I have my ticket bought weeks ago, but it’s not hype that draws me; I want those two of PN’s beat by my selection!

    Btw, media isn’t my thing, but, from what I can gather, racing is being squeezed out of non-specialist newspapers and off non-specialist TV.

    Even on message boards devoted to the supposed enthusiasts, people say often that they don’t or won’t buy the RP.
    Sadly, I cannot see any hype getting the average Jo Soap to buy anything or do anything out of his normal routine. Racing doesn’t figure anymore.

    You have to remermber, Fist fantasy, that even in pissy-arsed areas like rural Ireland or urban slum Britain, the pubs are closing down left , right, and centre. The betting shops will be the next to go.

    Society is changing fast, and it’s already moved away from the racing game, imo.

    Anyway, good luck to you and your vision !

    #148371
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    Bookies shutting? I thought they were springing open more and more and were limited by councils in areas???

    Now yeats, you of course correct – no-one has stayed with Curling but there are a number of reasons for that. I.e. how often is Curling on telly and 2/ where can you watch it locally. And more importantly, it was just an example to show how Joe Public will get interested in anything with high media attention :wink:

    People who become interested in this Sport WILL have an option to follow these horses at local tracks. There are racecourses up and down the country. These two ‘stars’ along with other fine talents will be running all over the country again next year. I.e. these people WILL be able to see them if interested.

    At Ascot, when Kauto ran I hear that the place was heaving when he was in the parade ring etc as if it was the Royal Meeting.

    I don’t see how ‘pushing this’ with 10 x 30 second slots during evening television could do racing any harm. Surely it is a good chance to try something like this and if it works – we have new fans. if not, it was an experiment that did not work. This festival is a multi million pound betting event.

    #148372
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    If you had never watched a football match in your life, how would you be able to distinguish between Man Utd v Arsenal and Oldham v Leyton Orient.

    Easy – you’d hear me shouting "Come on Oldham, you frightful reprobates!" into the FX mic at the latter.

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    #148376
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    I don’t think racing journalists have done anything like enough to promote the Kauto Star/Denman clash, the reason being that far too many of them are basically just too lazy to bother.

    Most of them have the additional encumbrance of being not too bright – they tend to be privately educated dimwits who can’t get a job doing anything else, so get to go into racing by way of their social contacts.

    I also follow cricket, and the standard of journalism in that sport is significantly higher than in racing, imo. If I were a sports editor, had a space to fill, but had no particular interest in cricket or racing, I’d be much more inclined to publish a promotional-style article by a cricket writer than a racing one. A typical cricket journalist would probably make more of an effort to sell the story to me.

    Sean, yes, racing gets less coverage, but that’s the way it is for all sports that aren’t football, not just racing.

    Radio 5 used to get called "Radio Bloke", but these days they might just as well call it "Radio Footie", nothing alse gets a look in most of the time. Even when they’re doing current affairs they feel the need to impose incessant, childish football "banter" on us between items.

    Personally, I put it all down to female hormones leaching into the water supply, but who knows?

    #148382
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    You have to remermber, Fist fantasy, that even in pissy-arsed areas like rural Ireland or urban slum Britain, the pubs are closing down left, right, and centre. The betting shops will be the next to go.

    The pubs certainly aren’t closing down in the urban slums I live in and this week a new betting shops opened in my town (Finally some competition for willy hills)..

    #148406
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    I’m not sure if that’s good or bad, Aragorn, but good luck to you, anyway!

    From Hackney to Ealing, they’re closing in London, often to become eating places.

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