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  • #4607
    Longchamp Lad
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    As we approach Bastille Day and the Grand Prix de Paris (which has thrown up a number of Arc winners in recent years), here are this Saturday’s runners:-

    AIRMAIL SPECIAL IRE M. 3 ans 58 kg FABRE A

    ASHKAZAR M. 3 ans 58 kg ROYER DUPRE A DE

    AXXOS GER M. 3 ans 58 kg———- (Suppl.) SCHIERGEN P

    EAGLE MOUNTAIN GB M. 3 ans 58 kg O’BRIEN AP

    HONOLULU IRE M. 3 ans 58 kg O’BRIEN AP

    MY QUENTIN M. 3 ans 58 kg VERMEULEN F

    PRINZ GER M. 3 ans 58 kg WOHLER A

    RUSSIAN DESERT (IRE) M. 3 ans 58 kg FABRE A

    SAGARA USA M. 3 ans 58 kg PEASE JE

    ZAMBEZI SUN GB M. 3 ans 58 kg BARY (S) P

    No Soldier of Fortune but perhaps too soon after his last run. A supplemented German? Thoughts?

    LL

    #107419
    davidjohnson
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    Hoping for a promising Leger trial from Honolulu.

    #107420
    Bosranic
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    Has to be Zambezi Sun for me.

    Would have remained unbeaten, beat Lawman and won the Prix Du Jockey Club last time out had he not met trouble in-running. This will only be his fourth run, so the horse is open to plenty of improvement and will appreciate the step up to 2400m.

    My ew bet for the Arc and currenly best priced at 16/1.

    #107427
    benbdb
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    Air mail special for me, had an e/w bet for the arc when was at 16s shortening now. may not win at the wknd but expect a good run as fabre will have him spot on for the arc.

    #107906
    Longchamp Lad
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    Well done Bosranic. Zambezi Sun by a country mile. But a bit controversial with Eagle Mountain unseating Fallon after about 4 furlongs. The winning margin was emphatic and it must be debatable whether Eagle Mountain would have got close. Another example of French 3yos being aimed at the latter half rather than the first.

    #107914
    ClintM
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    In this part of the world 3-Y-0s receiving 8lbs from the older horses at the start of October , which happens in the Arc, is viewed by many as an unfair advantage.

    I should have done my homework first, but I believe 3-Y-0s are something like 13 for 14 in recent Arc runnings. I know which age group I’d concentrate on.

    #107916
    Longchamp Lad
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    Nail on head ClintN. The authorities will have to address this issue ‘ere long.

    Meanwhile Longchamp is alive with the most fantastic fireworks show after the end of racing tonight. Sorry, but the French really know how to live.

    #107932
    Pegwell Bay
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    Longchamp is alive with the most fantastic fireworks show after the end of racing tonight. Sorry, but the French really know how to live.

    I bet the horses loved that. :roll:

    #107998
    Bosranic
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    Well done Bosranic. Zambezi Sun by a country mile. But a bit controversial with Eagle Mountain unseating Fallon after about 4 furlongs. The winning margin was emphatic and it must be debatable whether Eagle Mountain would have got close. Another example of French 3yos being aimed at the latter half rather than the first.

    One of the most impressive performances of the season. He tore a decent field to shreds.

    After his Derby win and close second in the Eclipse, I thought Authorized was made for the Arc – a good traveller, decent turn of foot and proven stamina, but this performance has got me thinking.

    I don’t think Authorized has the turn of foot to beat Zambezi Sun. If he’s going to beat this horse, Dettori (should he be on board) will need to be well positioned, make his move coming out of the false staight and play ‘catch me if you can’.

    Odds-on the Arc goes to a 3YO.

    #108012
    Himself
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    The Arc is my favourite flat race. It brings together the best middle distance horses in Europe. Very few avverage horses have won this prestigious race. I look forward to it more than any other. I’ll never forget how I felt when Sassafras defeated Nijinsky back in 1970. I was absolutely distraught. :(

    It looks wide open this year and I shall wait until nearer the time brfore selecting one.

    Gambling Only Pays When You're Winning

    #108030
    benbdb
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    I would be very interested to know if any of you out there who do your own ratings saw/have rated the race. I havnt had chance to see the race but was a little surprised to see the RP ratings team give the winner only 118 given how easily he won by all accounts.

    #108034
    Prufrock
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    I haven’t watched the race but gave Zambezi Sun a figure of 122 on the paper form and on a scale comparable with RPRs.

    That compares with recent winners Rail Link (rated 121 by RP in the race), Scorpion (123), Bago (113), Vespone (121) and Khalkevi (114) and has Zambezi Sun 2 ahead of Eagle Mountain and Sagara showing 3 lb better form than in the Prix du Jockey-Club.

    He is a contender, but that was almost certainly a weak Group 1 once Eagle Mountain was out of the way, and I am not getting especially excited at this stage.

    #108036
    guskennedy
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    In this part of the world 3-Y-0s receiving 8lbs from the older horses at the start of October , which happens in the Arc, is viewed by many as an unfair advantage.

    I should have done my homework first, but I believe 3-Y-0s are something like 13 for 14 in recent Arc runnings. I know which age group I’d concentrate on.

    It’s 11 from the last 15 and 14 from the last 20.

    In the last ten years, 69 three-year-olds have run in the Arc and 19 have finished in the first three against 11 older horses placed from 75 runners. The trend is in favour of the younger horses but it’s hardly conclusive.

    #108039
    seabird
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    …………..but somewhat persuasive.

    #108065
    ClintM
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    In this part of the world 3-Y-0s receiving 8lbs from the older horses at the start of October , which happens in the Arc, is viewed by many as an unfair advantage.

    I should have done my homework first, but I believe 3-Y-0s are something like 13 for 14 in recent Arc runnings. I know which age group I’d concentrate on.

    It’s 11 from the last 15 and 14 from the last 20.

    In the last ten years, 69 three-year-olds have run in the Arc and 19 have finished in the first three against 11 older horses placed from 75 runners. The trend is in favour of the younger horses but it’s hardly conclusive.

    If the race was run in the US 3-Y-0s would get half of the 8lbs allowance – or less . I wonder how the numbers would read then ? Pride certainly would have given the older brigade a win last year against the 3-Y-0 s ( a group only a few weeks away from being older horses themselves ).

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