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    thedarkknight
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    I’m interested in this fresh strip of ground on the final 3.5f of the round course (which of course is the far side of the sprint track in the closing stages). Anyone got any news on how fast this is riding compared to the rest of the track?

    Thanks

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    Mr Frisk
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    Not with a GoingStick, sadly, but have just been out to have a look. It’s very obvious where the rails have come down, plenty of prints across the rest of the course and a fresh 15-foot strip on the far side. A mower has just been down the new strip to shave off a couple of millimetres, it was a bit longer than the rest of the track apparently, but the cover over the whole course is very thick.

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    thedarkknight
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    Many thanks Mr Frisk.

    Do you think there is a chance that it could be a shade faster on that far rail then – or will the fact that it hasnt been trampled on mean it might be slower today?

    I’m particularly interested with relation to Siren’s Gift in the King George V. You have a disappointing but on-her day very fast mare who has trap 18 . Given the amount of pace low and the fact that she finds little if anything in a battle – – could connections be tempted to go it alone (or in a small group) up the far side? It is probably her only chance…

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    Mr Frisk
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    At Ascot they said the reason it was slower on the near side on the final day was that the water had got into the ground more where they had all been racing on the first three or four days. There was no rain here at all yesterday until the final race, ie there was a full card before 5mm or so arrived overnight. Would have thought it’s more likely to be a little bit quicker over there, and a few jockeys have been taking a side-to-side stroll up the track over the last hour, though I can’t be sure that Buick was one of them.

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    douginho
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    Many thanks Mr Frisk.

    Do you think there is a chance that it could be a shade faster on that far rail then – or will the fact that it hasnt been trampled on mean it might be slower today?

    I’m particularly interested with relation to Siren’s Gift in the King George V. You have a disappointing but on-her day very fast mare who has trap 18 . Given the amount of pace low and the fact that she finds little if anything in a battle – – could connections be tempted to go it alone (or in a small group) up the far side? It is probably her only chance…

    Like your thinking here, especially with Borderlescott in stall 16. If those two (and maybe a couple more) head over that way you might end up with a reasonable quality group on the far side. Unfortunately, it never pays to second guess.

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    thedarkknight
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    Can’t believe going right to the far side would have been any worse than staying in the centre, where nothing really got into it from a high draw….

    Maybe there will be some value playing the high numbers in the last if the market assumes there is now a low bias….

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    Gerald
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    I’m getting a second wind for the Stewards’ Cup. I think most of the fancied horses, except Jimmy Styles, are drawn low. I’ll have a look amongst 25-28 to find something I fancy.

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    carvillshill
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    Anyone have an opinion on the time-based ground there today (Friday). Looked to be kicking up plenty of divots- soft side of good?

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    Just my opinion Carv, but certainly no worse than good, even edging towards g/f.
    If you take the view that the 2 biggest fields (2.45 & 3.25) produced the truest pace, then Johannes ran to a rating of c87 with his 9.00, which puts the time slightly below standard for the straight course, and La Raayb ran around a 110 with his 9.06, which suggests the round course rode only very slightly slower.
    Fwiw, I believe the sprint race upheld the view that the fresh ground was quicker (Of the 9 horses that ran far side, 5 of them finished in the first 7 places), and from the pictures I saw, it wasn’t pace that that made the difference. Given the subsequent traffic and the forecast of rain, it’s anybody’s guess if the same will obtain today, though I wouldn’t back anything drawn low unless I considered it had quite a few pounds in hand.
    Maybe today’s the day for TDK’s favourite horse – drawn 20, and with the speed to get to the far rail early, there might be dafter bets? :)

    #242041
    thedarkknight
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    Very hard to know what the ground and draw are going to do , even at this relatively late stage. There is a load of blue over Goodwood on my weather forecast this morning (but this is the same forecast that said Thursday would be dry when we saw some amazing downpours). It will be somewhere between Good-firm and heavy I reckon.

    :lol:

    I wouldn’t be sure there is a definitely a ground bias favouring high, but there is a pace – and maybe equally relevant a

    perceived

    ground bias, high. Tamagin would be a runner for sure, although it is hard to see him being able to dominate this field like he did at Windsor. I’m on Valery Borzov at 33s. Any rain would be a big plus and he is one of those sprinters that Dandy seems to specialise in – inconsistent, but an absolute monster on a "going" day.

    #242050
    Cav
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    Would back up Reets assessment of Good ground at Goodwood yesterday. I have the overall going slowing the runners by less then 1 length per mile. My figures definitely show the far rail as being a bit quicker, about 1 – 1 1/2 lengths, Jimmy Fortune mentioned it as well after winning the Totesport Mile.

    #242051
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    The stands rail has been quick at Goodwood all year – frequently see horses coming up the nearside and finishing like trains or winning by 4 or 5 lengths on the sprint course.

    Think you need an extreme draw today though the problem with a low draw is that there’s very little pace and lots of hold up horses :(

    #242129
    Gerald
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    Excuse me, but did anyone else get extremely annoyed when there were pictures of Seamus Buckley on the telly checking the going with his walking stick, before changing it to Soft?

    It creates the impression that the Going Stick is too much trouble, isn’t as accurate as your own feeling, and using the Going Stick is a chore only to be done when absolutely necessary.

    As the thread title says, IS there anyone at Goodwood with a Going Stick?

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    Don’t know whether anyone else has picked up on this, but remarkably, the first 6 home in the Steward’s Cup were all drawn together between 10 – 16 (stall 12 a non-runnner) ? :shock:
    Tom Segal did air this possibility in his column on Saturday, though it probably owed more to his selection being drawn there than any great prescience. The nursery result over the same c/d suggests it wasn’t a fluke either.
    Figure that one out for next year! :cry:

    #242454
    carvillshill
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    Could it be a joggers strip like they used to have at York? Sure I saw Couch and Gary Wiltshire appearing from the sea fret in tracksuits before racing :D

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