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How do such people get on a racecourse and why doesn’t this happen in countries like Japan, Hong Kong, France, Germany and so on????
It doesn’t happen in other countries because people there don’t go out specifically to get drunk and/or charlied up.
I know you cannot see the whole story on a random clip uploaded to “X” – but there was a security fellow in a yellow high vis jacket standing there like a spare part while a middle aged racegoer was trying to keep the brawlers apart!
If one security guard had stepped in then he may well have had them all turn on him.
The “middle aged racegoer” may well have known both parties in the fight and therefore might have had a better chance of cooling things down.Value Is EverythingNo problem CAS. Is this related to the Liverpool area? I’m quite sure that none of them is a true racing fan, but the question is: how did they get in and why could no one be more alert and prevent a possible brawl?
I know, it’s not easy to predict who will fight and who won’t, but do racetracks actually know their customers?What’s the point of “security” being there then? It is a bit like the security in supermarkets being told not to confront shoplifters. And guess what? It leads to an increase in shop lifting.
The report says the footage has been viewed over a million times. If people are going to see fights on racecourses with security appearing to do nothing, it does not exactly sell it to the public as a nice day out.
I doubt the older fellow knew the fighters. Young lads in Liverpool tend to go to Aintree in a group of their friends. I have seldom if ever seen them with their dads as well.
Equation
Liverpool lads + Alcohol = Fight + Liverpool girl = Bigger Fight + unprotected sex = More Liverpool lads to fight
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“If one security guard had stepped in then he may well have had them all turn on him.
The “middle aged racegoer” may well have known both parties in the fight and therefore
might have had a better chance of cooling things down.”Sorry Ginger I can’t have that. You get paid the cash, and presumably trained to deal with
disturbances and keep the other racegoers safe then you have to step in. Not to mention that
the security guard wasn’t on his own. The longer you let it go on, the likelyhood of it getting
totally out of hand. They were there at the start, step in and stop the 2 or 3 throwing handbags,
and a “c’mon lads do you want barred for life” might have been enough to stop it. What happened
was you now have 2 scenes to deal with, it’s getting out of hand then. Standing back is a green
light to carry on.Agree BigG. If security staff don’t want to do the job they are paid to do, they should do something else instead.
I am meant to be going to Aintree on Boxing Day. If an incident like that kicks off, I will expect security to deal with it quickly.
Welcome to Great Britain. Back in the 90s we went on holiday to Tunisia and due to a booking mix up and ended up in a different hotel. The different hotel was predominately used by German companies and hence that was who were staying there and whilst we were apprehensive we thoroughly enjoyed it. No drunken idiots, no sunburnt lobsters just polite nice people who welcomed us.
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In the entire history of UK horse racing, has there ever been a moment when watching the racing in the warm at home on a cold, wet, December Saturday seemed a more infinitely preferable option to actually going racing than it does right now?
I think racecourse security are the wrong target – relatively low-paid lads expected to sort out the mess racecourse executives have created with their marketing culture of turning a day at the races into a booze fest.
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It's the "Millwall FC" of Point broadcasts: "No One Likes Us - We Don't Care"Hey, I’m sure they were having a friendly discussion about Kevin Brogan’s unseat from Sidi Ismael at the Chair in the Becher, but someone took it too far.
What do you mean they weren’t racing fans? What else would they be arguing about?
I genuinely thought this would be a thread about how awful a spectacle the racing at Aintree was on Saturday. Nobody enjoyed watching those races, did they? The only horses that finished seemed to be walking home, what a terrible sight. It’s a good job those anti-racing lot weren’t there, otherwise the media coverage would have been heightened with that of the brawling idiots.
Seems to me you’re rushing in to judge these security men CAS / BigG.
I prefer to give them the benefit of the doubt.I saw only two security men and (from only what was is in the clip) at least 12 males fighting. Could have been 20 for all we know.
One security man was on his phone presumably phoning for back up and police.
Of course the longer a fight goes on the worse it is likely to become, however…
Do you expect these two security men to step in before they’ve phoned for back up, BigG?
The two security men may have stepped in after calling for back up – we don’t know.There is security and then there’s “security”.
We don’t know how much “training” these security men have had.
Some people with “security” written on their backs are proper “security”, trained to deal with a major disturbance like this… And if so then yes they should have stepped in.
Some people with “security” on their backs are on minimal pay and only given minimal training for how to deal with minor incidents… which is the type of minor incident usually seen at the races. If only minimal training, they may have even been told by their bosses not to step in if something major breaks out. ie CAS, stepping in may not be what “they are paid to do”.Value Is EverythingIf there were only 2 security guards and a dozen brawlers, priority should be to phone for backup/police and prevent innocent bystanders being hurt. However, security really ought to be about identifying potential trouble before it happens so backup is already in place. As GT says, it’s harsh to blame the individual guards when there are obviously wider problems, including training and drink/drug culture.
If racecourses are going to allow thugs in suits or smart casual thugs who cant handle their drink into racecourses then they need to up their game re security and have properly trained bouncers-with-a-brain types who deter in the first place by their sheer presence or can respond in the 2nd place if trouble erupts like it did here. Minimum wage student types are no use in these situations.
On balance if you are only holding on to someone it can be reasonably assumed that you might be trying to restrain someone from getting into a fight. But every single person captured on that video shown throwing an actual punch should be hunted down and severely dealt with and it needs to be publicised that this kind of behaviour is inexcusable under any circumstances and will be dealt with via a prison sentence.
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