All Weather

[Ian]

Looking for a bit of help.

I’ve never been one for the all weather never took any notice of it at all to be honest but now I intend to take a bit more of an interest.

From a punters point of view can anyone help me with course characteristics of UK’s all weather tracks – the effects of the draw, which course suits which sorts of running styles etc – that sort of thing.

Thanks in advance.

[Ken(West Derby)]

Ian, As you will have noticed, there are some on here who swear by the all weather racing as the best thing since sliced bread. There are others who believe the all weather to be no better than cartoon racing. One thing is certain, it is very, very, different from turf racing; with so many more conundrums to fathom out if you ever hope to make it profitable from a punting perspective.
However, if you can overcome all the twists and turns I reckon it might be possible to make it pay. Firstly, you need to ask yourself whether you have the will-power to ignore the turf. I think you have to decide on one or the other. The two don’t mix. It’s a bit like expecting an athlete to train for both the 100 metres and the marathon. Do you want to get caught between two opposing disciplines?
How intuitive are you? I believe that you can study the form, the markets, the course variations etc. etc. until the cows come home but when it comes to the all weather you need that extra bit of intuition to help you make the right choices.
Our very own Barry D. recently made the point, "What appears to be the favourite, isn’t always the favourite." Now that told me all that I suspected about the all weather in particular. Primarily, the all weather puts the food on the table for the bookies, especially if you are a mug punter like thousands in the betting shops up and down the Country. But what you need to do is to step into a bookies shoes and look at the betting through their eyes. If you can get inside their heads then you’ll be half-way to becoming rich. Believe me Ian, I didn’t get where I am today from following the sheep. You’ve not only got to run with the lions but you have to roar like the lions. So stop pussy-footing around Ian. Get out there in the All Weather jungle and be the king of your territory!!!
K

[The Ante-Post King]

Looking for a bit of help.

I’ve never been one for the all weather never took any notice of it at all to be honest but now I intend to take a bit more of an interest.

From a punters point of view can anyone help me with course characteristics of UK’s all weather tracks – the effects of the draw, which course suits which sorts of running styles etc – that sort of thing.

Thanks in advance.

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[Ken(West Derby)]

Good one TAPK…and there was me thinking I was setting the guy on the road to fame and riches. Never mind, someone might find my tips and advice useful. Not.
K

[alan1]

Ian

Try this site for course characteristics and draw bias info:

http://www.drawbias.com

[Ian]

Thanks TAPK. Weren’t meant as an April fool but at least it shows there’s no catching you. Perhaps its me you were calling the April fool – fool for all seasons me.

Thanks guys, appreciated. Ken I will take on board what you say and I promise I won’t go down the mugs route. I don’t intend to get heavily into the all weather scene and whether or not I’ll bet on it I don’t know but it doesn’t hurt to have a bit more of an understanding.

[greenhill]

Hi every one an interesting topic, April fools or not and i would like to contribute some of my own thoughts on AW.
For the first few years i would have nothing to do with it,i must confess i viewed it as a futher undermining of some of the great history and traditions of British racing,and something which was pushed for by the bookmakers and this is seldom in punters interests.

On the turf i only analise all aged hcaps,and just for the exercise i tried AW to see if the same approach would work,with just a few small changes and two years of paper proofing,i realised that it was costing me money not to back the selections.

So this is the end of my third year on the AW (I only do oct-mar inc)and again it has delivered ROI simular to what i achive on turf,so it has so far been for me the correct decision.

I think this has the makings of an interesting thread,i would like to read the views of members who also bet on the turf concerning the changes you feel are needed to your selection process when applied to AW.As an example i to my suprise found that i needed to put more emphasis on course form.

[davidjohnson]

It seems a bizarre decision to focus on the all-weather, just as the all-weather season is over. I’d put the project on the back burner until next November as essentially you’ll still need to follow the turf because so many of the horses will mix codes.

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