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After the Irish Derby sale last week where Alan Potts bought some of the biggest priced horses and also confirmed that all his horses will be moving to Ireland to be trained by Henry De Bromhead and his new trainer Willie Mullins with a select few being trained in France.
The main reason seems to be the complete underachievement of trainer with his stock and the pathetic prize money currently being offered to Owners.
The world record for a store horse was smashed when Sizing Europe’s owner, Alan Potts, paid €340,000 (£302,000) for a three-year-old son of Presenting.
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After the Irish Derby sale last week where Alan Potts bought some of the biggest priced horses and also confirmed that all his horses will be moving to Ireland to be trained by Henry De Bromhead and his new trainer Willie Mullins with a select few being trained in France.
The main reason seems to be the complete underachievement of trainer with his stock and the pathetic prize money currently being offered to Owners.
The world record for a store horse was smashed when Sizing Europe’s owner, Alan Potts, paid €340,000 (£302,000) for a three-year-old son of Presenting.
I’m struggling to see this as a damning comment on UK Racing, as I can’t see from a brief search on RP Database reveals that Alan Potts (in any of his owning partnerships) currently has any horses trained in England, Wales or Scotland at all, either on the Flat or over Jumps.
I seem to remember he or one of his companies had something with Nicky Henderson, but can’t remember what or when….
He’s essentially an Irish/French owner, so what grounds do you have for your assertion that prize money was to blame for his removing any horses from UK trainers?
Mr Potts has had great good fortune with his Irish-based and French-based strings, and good luck to him. But I’m not sure where the UK significantly comes into this.
How insane was that sale? In a time when Ireland has the IMF in and 16% unemployment the sums that unproven NH horses were making was staggering.
My namesake has had horses with Henderson, Hobbs, Nicholls and Twiston-Davies over the last two seasons, some of which were running here up to a couple of months ago. The last runner was Sizing Ireland in mid May for Henderson and he was sold on at Doncaster Sales the following week for £6,500.
None of the ones that ran here were much good and I don’t suppose the trainers involved are that bothered.
AP
Not anything to do with British Racing INC….but the prizemoney is bound to be a critical factor. No matter how wealthy a owner is, he is not stupid when he can get win races that allow him to cover costs.
The remark about the trainer is Nigel Twiston Davis who has a Milan that cost a fortune from the Potts and couldn’t win a bumper called Go all the way(cost 310,000 Guineas). Pathetic effort by the trainer concerned.
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None of the ones that ran here were much good and I don’t suppose the trainers involved are that bothered.
Thanks AP – that explains the low profile of the
other
AP’s sprinkling of pricey English-trained horses. And I agree with you that none of them will be losing much sleep.
How insane was that sale? In a time when Ireland has the IMF in and 16% unemployment the sums that unproven NH horses were making was staggering.
It is the Government that has the IMF problem along with the unemployed. Only the media and the misled public confuse Government with Nation.
The money passed out from the banks did not all go down the drain and the personal wealth by many in Ireland actually is "staggering". Garda are having to police the property auctions which are awash with ready cash buyers.The remark about the trainer is Nigel Twiston Davis who has a Milan that cost a fortune from the Potts and couldn’t win a bumper called Go all the way(cost 310,000 Guineas). Pathetic effort by the trainer concerned.
The horse in question only ran twice for Twiston-Davies, both times in Grade 1 bumpers, and it finished 4th in the Cheltenham Bumper on the first of those runs.
To call that a pathetic effort by the trainer requires a level of either bias or ignorance rare even by your standards.
AP
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To call that a pathetic effort by the trainer requires a level of either bias or ignorance rare even by your standards.
It’s certainly an odd argument to equate
price
with
value
, when it comes to spending a fortune on bloodstock. Training competence doesn’t come into it. The words
Green
and
Monkey
occur to me, in no particular order!
Of Course equating price with success is not as simple as that however paying 310,000 for a horse and seeing it unable to win a bumper when it was purchased specfically to win the Grade 1 bumpers from Brian Gleeson and missing the whole season due to some injury and then pitching up in the Grade 1’s is not with Mr Potts had in mind when he sent this horse to Twiston Davis.
He will improve stones from a switch in yards.
Not anything to do with British Racing INC….but the prizemoney is bound to be a critical factor. No matter how wealthy a owner is, he is not stupid when he can get win races that allow him to cover costs.
The remark about the trainer is Nigel Twiston Davis who has a Milan that cost a fortune from the Potts and couldn’t win a bumper called Go all the way(cost 310,000 Guineas). Pathetic effort by the trainer concerned.
Go All The Way was never any good in the first place to be fair – he was well placed by his former trainer (who knew he had at least 3 better than it judged on homework) to run well and in a highly taking fashion at Punchestown, he was then sold for a small fortune (roughly 5 or 6 times what he’s actually worth) to Philip Hobbs who had a falling out with Potts before the horse ran , the horse was moved to NTD who got it to finished nearer first than last at Cheltenham and was then well beaten at Punchestown.
All in all great bit of business from Brian Gleeson and John Kiely and another example of the owner and his money being easily parted, having also paid a small fortune for one of Tom Lacey’s old horses that’s turned out to be not all that and a horse that Nicholls bought for him from France.
All in all great bit of business from Brian Gleeson and John Kiely and another example of the owner and his money being easily parted, having also paid a small fortune for one of Tom Lacey’s old horses that’s turned out to be not all that
A couple of years ago I heard via a friend about that one being "impressive" in a point so I made a point of asking if I could see him when I went to last year’s open day. He didn’t look the biggest but he was only 4 at the time.
Tom Lacey is very good at what he does with the youngsters and breaks horses for plenty of trainers – I’m not surprised that the horse sold for a fair amount of money (even if it is alot more than I thought he was worth). Horse is clearly talented enough though I’m sure he’ll produce better ones in the coming years.
I was told by a trainer/rider who rode for us in 2010 and is currently producing and training youngsters in the UK that he sent his best youngster to be trained for his boss in Ireland as they wouldn’t be able to sell it for as much if it had won a UK point – sure enough he dotted up a couple of times over there, was sold on for a considerable sum (100k+ I’m led to believe) whilst also winning on the track too.
Forgive my total ignorance, but which Alan Potts wrote the very readable books on punting?
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