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The end of Starmer ? , is Raynor sharpening the knife , it’s a huge 48 hours for him , honestly I’m not sure he’s surviving this
An almighty mess but as Gladders says, I would rather have ANY Labour government than a Reform one. And that goes for the Tories too. A sign of how low our our political landscape is at present.
How many awful things did Johnson do before they finally removed him from office. He became PM after he was known to have close links to Lebedev. Trouble is Labour are expected to have higher standards. Still, it’s detracting from the Bannon Epstein links to Brexit that are mentioned in the files.
The problem Moe is there is so much anger coming from his own backbenchers , he’s vulnerable and it looks likely win one is going to have a go
“Trouble is Labour are expected to have higher standards.”
That is their own fault. Plenty of Labour politicians set themselves up as being on the moral high ground, some even labelling their opponents as “scum”. If they portray themselves as the virtuous crowd, it is only natural they are going to find their actions scrutinised. No one likes hypocrites.
I believe Starmer is finished. It is not a question of if he goes but when. I don’t see how he can possibly come back from this situation. He is a dead man walking.
It is not as if he has any political capital in the bank to draw on. As one newspaper put it he is now shunned by his own MPs and loathed by the public. The latter was from a very early stage during his tenure. He was being called a w****r at Doncaster racecourse only two months after taking office.
He might have got away with it if he had appointed a pillar of the community to the role of ambassador, who subsequently turned out to have a skeleton in the cupboard no one else could possibly have known about. But he didn’t. He appointed Peter Mandelson of all people.
This is a sleazy little creep who had to resign from the Cabinet twice over corrupt behaviour. OK, he was later cleared of having done anything technically or legally wrong the second time but it still wasn’t good behaviour.
Starmer was warned not to appoint Mandelson but went ahead and did it anyway. That is a mixture of arrogance and catastrophically poor judgement.
I find it very difficult to believe the security services had no knowledge of Mandelson’s behaviour. They must have plenty of files several inches thick on him. Starmer must have been warned.
What finishes Starmer is his admission he knew Mandelson was still on very friendly terms with Epstein even after the latter was convicted of serious sexual offences. I don’t see how he can possibly survive.
Plenty of Labour MPs never miss an opportunity to tell us how much they care about womens rights. How do those MPs – especially the large amount of female Labour MPs – square that commitment with supporting a Prime Minister who appointed the best buddy of a serious sex offender to the most important post in the diplomatic service and knew he was still friends after the criminal was convicted?
Plenty of Labour MPs know they are doomed under Starmer. He can hardly call on their loyalty. Since assuming office he has lurched from crisis to crisis, making one avoidable error after another.
And it is not going to get any better. It never does with Mandelson. There is sure to be more to come from the Epstein papers.
Time to resign while he still has a few shreds of dignity left.
There is a long running thread on the Epstein scandal on another forum I use. Two recent comments caught my eye. They make a point I have occasionally made here but am guilty of overlooking myself sometimes:
“Every epstein file drop underscores how elite power operates through shared socio-economic networks, regardless of people’s ideological differences, populist posturing, or public feuds. Ideology divides the public. Networks unite the powerful. That’s the real lesson of the Epstein files.”
“‘Left’ and ‘Right’ are increasingly looking like window dressing to keep the proles arguing about so-called differences while a united elite do what they want.”
I believe that is correct. We must stop falling for the con trick. Divide and rule is the oldest tactic in the tyrant playbook. It doesn’t matter what colour rosette they pin to their lapels every five years and pretend to care about us. And the ones that put on red, yellow and green rosettes and not more virtuous than those adorned in blue or turquoise.
They are all on the same side. And it is not ours.
Pay ever increasing amounts of tax if it makes you feel better. But they are laughing at you.
My hope is the Epstein papers (and there is certainly a lot more to come) finally make everyone wake up. It will make the Profumo Affair look like an afternoon tea party. It is going to reveal a political class throughout the western world as being sleazy, decadent, perverted and immoral. Along with their allies in business, the media and the arts etc. The whole rotten, corrupt system may collapse.
A wise man once warned about it. No wonder both the fake left and fake right despised him. They don’t like people who speak truth to power.
OK, he was later cleared of having done anything technically or legally wrong the second time but it still wasn’t good behaviour.
Starmer in a nutshell, technical arguments work in the world of law, they can be vital in winning your case. Rightly or wrongly that’s not how it works in real life.
We must stop falling for the con trick. Divide and rule is the oldest tactic in the tyrant playbook.
Absolutely correct and sadly it’s incredibly effective. As I have said before, social media in particular fuels these false divisions, it suits their business model to have everybody neatly pigeonholed and sniping at each other whilst the platforms’ owners laugh at us all, all the way to the bank (which is also laughing at us).
It is going to reveal a political class throughout the western world as being sleazy, decadent, perverted and immoral. Along with their allies in business, the media and the arts etc.
As we were saying recently, if only one ‘side’ was implicated, we’d have heard it all a long time ago. So many are so deep in it that it’s in all of their interests to keep it hidden. I suspect that a lot of actors and musicians are also protected because they make lots of money for the right people. Plenty of careers over at a stroke if enough comes out. Meanwhile the innocent victims have their names plastered everywhere.
Finally, are we really supposed to believe that the Royal Family had no idea what the Andrew formerly known as Prince was up to? I find it hard to believe that a relatively senior Royal could keep all of that hidden.
Spot on Corker and Richard, and thanks for that admirable quote from Solzhenitsyn
I can’t see Starmer surviving this either: the stench will only get worse when the papers relating to Mandelson’s appointment are made public (today?) and the bits that we proles aren’t permitted to see are scrutinised by the Intelligence and Security Committee.
Live by the sword, die by the sword: and I sincerely hope that the ultra-devious Mandelson is prosecuted, sent for trial and spends his declining years banged-up in chokey. I heard the word ‘treason’ bandied about yesterday, which while strictly untrue as that only applies to divulging state secrets to an individual or country defined as an ‘enemy’, Mandelson’s communications with Epstein would certainly appear to be similar.
Plenty of Labour MPs never miss an opportunity to tell us how much they care about womens rights. How do those MPs – especially the large amount of female Labour MPs – square that commitment with supporting a Prime Minister who appointed the best buddy of a serious sex offender
Several women MPs who made speeches in the Commons yesterday were intensely annoyed to the point of (justifiably) boiling over and it would seem more than likely that they would support a vote of no confidence in Starmer if one is submitted. Though I hope Starmer take’s the gentleman’s way out and resigns before that’s necessary.
“It is not a question of if he goes but when.”
This line always makes me laugh, especially when it comes from supposedly serious political commentators (not talking about you, CAS).
All politicians leave office eventually, so it’s always a question of “when”.
“He was being called a w****r at Doncaster racecourse only two months after taking office.”
Nothing to do with the mob mentality engendered by social media, of course.
All I can remember about Solzhenitsyn is that he escaped to the west to escape the corruption in Russia only to then start slagging the west off, too.
The anti Starmer chanting at sporting events is tedious in the extreme, and I’d say the same if it was about Farage, Badenoch, Polanski, anyone. I’m not interested in hearing about politics when I’m watching sport.
As much as Starmer hasn’t covered himself in glory, he’s certainly no worse than anything the Tories inflicted upon us and we didn’t hear much if anything of it then. Very much inclined to agree with Gladders that it’s herd mentality driven by social media.
Is Solzhenitsyn a relative of Paul Whitehouse?
“Farage is a w*nker
Farage is a w*nker
The racist ****
He’s National Front”Works perfectly.
A lot of the above posts are accurate; the rich can do what they like and take us all to be fools. Sadly a small majority are. Brexit was all part of the divide and conquer strategy. Separate us from the EU and it weakens us both. Very few realised we were being manipulated, but now that Mark Carney of Canada has spelled it out for us we all know.
Farage is part of the same plot. He is wined and dined and provided with millions of pounds to promote the same agenda, which is to get rid of all the immigrants and destroy the NHS. Then the rich can get massive tax cuts and the rest of us can rot. Farage wants us to end up as the USA is today; a frightening thought.
Starmer is no worse than many of our PM’s. In fact he is naive as he doesn’t know how to play the game without being caught.
Most Labour MP’s are honest, but some see the Tories on the opposite bench operate a scam and they try it in a small way. They get caught while the Tories escape, due to the protection network set up by the rich and famous
I feel sorry for Starmer; he is not evil but he is a fool. He will have to go. I reckon that a holding PM will be appointed until the Mancheser man can win a seat and take over.
“I feel sorry for Starmer”
I don’t.
His entire premise was that this government would be different. It isn’t.
Sadly, the actions of this government merely confirm how much the neoliberal agenda has taken over political thought over the last 45+ years.
I think it was in the first week of his premiership it was discovered he’d been accepting expensive clothing gifts for him and his wife from Waheed Ali. That was all you needed to know to forecast how his political end would come. At that age, you cannot learn good judgement.
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