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This fellow would have walked home with us,such a lovely natured horse!
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Ginge you really haven’t got a clue about laying horses,you haven’t got one for backing them either,you need loads!
I’m rather tiddled tonight as I’m celebrating another legendary coup of mine but back to the point you so wrongly raise.If
I lay a horse in running at 1/5
like I did
‘Battle of Marengo’ and have £500 on him do you realise how much I actually
stand
to Win or Lose should the horse Win or Lose?? Think about it before answering you muppet!
Think about it before using the words "If" (instead of "When"), then "like I did", then "stand" (as in will be, not did) instead of "stood". Places questions in peoples minds Gord.
Despite being so adamant beforehand Battle Of Merengo would not win
… For you to know exactly the right time to get the best price! And what’s more, instead of your usual sized bets we now hear you put £500 on!
Foresight
I see still no apology to Timeform for totally misrepresenting their ratings.
You wont either as you wont see a bigger misrepresentation of how to back horses than Timeforms interpretation of Horseracing.They need to sharpen their pencils when delivering an assessment of a race instead of colouring it in with wishy-washy water colours leaving the punter to draw their own conclusions to their impressionistic Art.Its been done for years that way,very cleverly and Jimbo still loves to refer to them at any opportunity,trouble is we all have access to assess horses ourselves these days so the need to pay for a costly lesson in er……Common sense to those of us gifted with it is nothing but exploitation of the Non-thinkers……Like yourself Ginge!
Another Lesson on Free thinking from Your King!Great photo’s Gord, looked like you had a fab day. I’m off to distribute some Avon to my lovely female customers. Will give you a buzz later so if your tucking into Wild Salmon & Spinach Fish Cake with Maddocks Farm Rocket, and Chive Mayonnaise or whatever it is and your phone rings you will know it’s me.
Blackbeard to conquer the World
Great photo’s Gord, looked like you had a fab day. I’m off to distribute some Avon to my lovely female customers. Will give you a buzz later so if your tucking into Wild Salmon & Spinach Fish Cake with Maddocks Farm Rocket, and Chive Mayonnaise or whatever it is and your phone rings you will know it’s me.
Funnily enough Nath I phoned you when I was out at Chatsworth Farm Shop picking up a lump of Mature Cheddar for me Cheese on toast am a havin at lunchtime.I can thank
Trading Leather
for putting food on the table as I say grace…..You listenin Ginge?
‘For what we are about to recieve,
may I thank ‘Trading Leather’ for
proving yet again why I am a legend
at spotting class horses and being
able to identify there targets whilst
others sleep and dream they too had
this gift,a gift from God the mighty
God the holy son of Jesus.
Amen!Nice pics there Gord well done with TRADING LEATHER
Questions for you i ask them here you only 140 letters on twitter
What you think of debut by AUSTRALIA i took 25/1 on him to win derby last week. and though he got beat he showed enough to me that he be winning group races this year and be better as a 3yo
Also did you see Gosden horse win at Newmarket 14/1 for 2000 guineas looks a smart prospect we may of seen a guineas and derby winner both debuting this week.
And any thoughts on FLYING OFFICER he won well when he may of needed the run. i think he do well this year maybe a st leger horse at a decent price. has a profile of MASKED MARVEL in winning on debut but getting beat in a group race on 2nd start.
Ginger – ‘I’ve read the bible, said my prayers, been to church, repented and confessed all my sins and am now a converted believer so if I eat this Giant white Ginger nut and drink the Ginger beer from you Holy cup will God give me a special gift like he did Gordon’?
Vicar – ‘God is good I admit but give you the Ginger one a special gift, Jesus Christ he ain’t that bloody clever’
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Blackbeard to conquer the World
Nice pics there Gord well done with TRADING LEATHER
Questions for you i ask them here you only 140 letters on twitter
What you think of debut by AUSTRALIA i took 25/1 on him to win derby last week. and though he got beat he showed enough to me that he be winning group races this year and be better as a 3yo
Also did you see Gosden horse win at Newmarket 14/1 for 2000 guineas looks a smart prospect we may of seen a guineas and derby winner both debuting this week.
And any thoughts on FLYING OFFICER he won well when he may of needed the run. i think he do well this year maybe a st leger horse at a decent price. has a profile of MASKED MARVEL in winning on debut but getting beat in a group race on 2nd start.
First thing I thought of was you Darren when I saw
Flying Officer
win,of course his form through
Trading Leather
suggests he’s a horse with plenty potential,as is
Montiridge
a horse I really fancied at Royal Ascot but I’m not seeing St leger lights flashing me in the eyes myself!
Australia
did enough to suggest again he’s got plenty up his sleeve but so to has the winner,I’d like to see those pair against each other again.
Kingman
was hugely impressive but there’s a couple of ticks missing from the potential 2014 2000gns winners boxes. I admire your confidence in your 2 Classic selections,we’ll see when both step up to Group company if they can cut the Ice.Good Luck.
and have £500 on him
And what’s more, instead of your usual sized bets we now hear you put £500 on!
Foresight
It is you who needs educating Gord.
You didnot
say
"to win £500"
.
By saying
"and have £500 on him"
any punter will tell you it means (whether laying or backing) you had a
£500 bet to win £2,500
(return £3000). Not as you
now
claim £100 to win £500 (£600 returned).
A constantly changing story.
Value Is EverythingI see still no apology to Timeform for totally misrepresenting their ratings.
You wont either as you wont see a bigger misrepresentation of how to back horses than Timeforms interpretation of Horseracing.They need to sharpen their pencils when delivering an assessment of a race instead of colouring it in with wishy-washy water colours leaving the punter to draw their own conclusions to their impressionistic Art.Its been done for years that way,very cleverly and Jimbo still loves to refer to them at any opportunity,trouble is we all have access to assess horses ourselves these days so the need to pay for a costly lesson in er……Common sense to those of us gifted with it is nothing but exploitation of the Non-thinkers……Like yourself Ginge!
Another Lesson on Free thinking from Your King!You are incapable of saying sorry.
You said they rated Battle Of merengo 14 lbs clear of the field when it was only 5 lbs Gord. Whatever you may think of Timeform, you are wrong and any right-thinking person would put that falsehood right.
Deliberately misrepresenting Timeform’s ratings is a new low, even for you.
Value Is Everything"Gingertipster":3fdi13pp wrote:
And what’s more, instead of your usual sized bets we now hear you put £500 on!
Foresight
It is you who needs educating Gord.
You didnot
say
"to win £500"
.
By saying
"and have £500 on him"
any punter will tell you it means (whether laying or backing) you had a
£500 bet to win £2,500
(return £3000). Not as you
now
claim £100 to win £500 (£600 returned).
A constantly changing story.
I never get tired of making you look a T*at Ginge! Why? because your stubborness has no boundary.Anyone who lays horses knew exactly what I said but because you dont have a clue about it you try to twist my words.Again the above post only confirms this and thats why I always ask the question to a clueless muppet like yourself as to how much do you win lose when Laying as those who dont lay………Like You……..Dont Know!!
You are incapable of saying sorry.
You said they rated Battle Of merengo 14 lbs clear of the field when it was only 5 lbs Gord. Whatever you may think of Timeform, you are wrong and any right-thinking person would put that falsehood right.
Deliberately misrepresenting Timeform’s ratings is a new low, even for you.
Jim Mcgrath Quote…"Battle of marengo’ has 14lbs in hand of the field".He was rated 14lbs higher than any other horse and yet TAPK
told the world he was a certainty to LAY.You on the other hand would sh*t bricks that he could possibly get beaten,even Michael Tabor lost heavily on him! Now shut the **** up bleetin like a Lamb!I do love a bit of a tilt at a long range target and
The Cambridgeshire
is one of those races I’ve always had a soft spot for.That all stems from the fact I was fortunate enough to back the 1984 winner
Leysh
at 33/1 at a time I was still feeling my way to the top.Since those heady days of the 80’s pulling birds in me 2.8 injection Capri and whisking them off to various race meetings,Restaurants,Casinos then a Hotel to ride a finish like Cauthen i’ve definitely calmed down.I dont frequent the Casinos anymore! In between being a Professional Gambler,I’ve been a Window cleaner at 15yo! Unreal that was,an Ice Cream man Shaggin birds in the middle of knowhere and yet Customers still bang on your window wanting a 99 in the middle of Sherwood forest!I was a Croupier at a Nottingham and Derby Casino watching the Chinese lose fortunes every night.I was a Car Salesman,Valetor, and Simple Mechanic too,I took
Limahl
from Kajagoogoo out oneday for a test drive in a Yellow XJS 5.3…..It flew in a straight line but because the Steering geometry was out I was wobbling the wheel all over the shop just to keep it in a straight line.For some stange reason I went home and dyed my hair Black and Blonde just like his was!! I recall being a Team Leader of Car drivers delivering new vehicles to customers,one day 5 of us coming back from the Ford compound took a short cut through a country park and only 4 of us made it back,the 5th driver put his brand new Sierra Sapphire Cosworth in Rosso Red straight into the Lake!
………..Oh yeh I’m digressing,i’ve got one for this years Cambridgeshire,it ticks all the boxes and its called Nabucco
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You are incapable of saying sorry.
You said they rated Battle Of merengo 14 lbs clear of the field when it was only 5 lbs Gord. Whatever you may think of Timeform, you are wrong and any right-thinking person would put that falsehood right.
Deliberately misrepresenting Timeform’s ratings is a new low, even for you.
Jim Mcgrath Quote…"Battle of marengo’ has 14lbs in hand of the field".He was rated 14lbs higher than any other horse and yet TAPK
told the world he was a certainty to LAY.You on the other hand would sh*t bricks that he could possibly get beaten,even Michael Tabor lost heavily on him! Now shut the **** up bleetin like a Lamb!Where are you quoting Jim McGrath from Gord? Does he mention Timeform?
So now you’re claiming credit for telling people to lay Battle Of Merengo at around Evens!
I remind you, I did not need to lay BOM, I backed the winner after studying Timeform! Jim has nothing to do with Timeform these days you idiot!
IF
you are quoting accurately then Jim McGrath was certainly NOT talking about Timeform ratings.
Take it from me Gord, I have the day of race Timeform Ratings in front of me and it clearly shows Battle Of Merengo just
5 lbs
clear of the field. Weight adjusted top rated 132 to next best 127. Difference is
NOWHERE NEAR 14 lbs!
There were also horses in the race with "P"’s and "p"’s which Timeform thought were full of potential; including the winner!
By maintaining the
lie
after I’ve put you right Gord – you are once again trying to big up your own reputation (what a surprise) at Timeform’s expense.
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I’ll tell you what I dont like Ben and that is this fellows a big backward sort,he does remind me of the sort of profile that
Sprinter Sacre
had as a 4yo and we all know he was still too immature to be a ‘Supreme’ horse,like his stable companion he will make a better Chaser than hurdler but like you say
Binocular
,
Sprinter Sacre
,
Spirit Son
,
Darlan
and
MTOY
have all been beaten in the ‘Supreme’ a race I target and one Nicky deserves to win,it could be with this fellow if the penny drops.What I do like is his breeding,I’m a big fan of
Kings Theatre
,he was my 1994 Derby horse and this fellows related to a lovely colt called
High Estate
of Jim Joels,he wasn’t a brilliant colt but moved like a Rolls Royce,something
West Wizard
has inherited from their Dam.Early days I know and this fellow doesn’t have the sharpness of
Darlan
the bulk of
Spirit son
or the athleticism of
MTOY
but he could be mistaken on a dark night for a beast that would beat the lot over fences……
Sprinter Sacre
.
Well Gord this is where your knowledge and experience of the game has tonnes on mine! Interesting to read were West Wizard gets his motion from, never realised horses would inherit their running style from parents/grandparents and going slightly off-track if any of Frankels kids inherit his seemingly-perfect running style then they’ll be at an advantage before they even learn to run!
Anyway back on track I guess it may be best to wait until next year to see how he progresses (or doesn’t) over the summer and to see if he really is a backwards sort like you said.
All this studying 2yo lingfield maiden forms is getting ******* tiring, used to love the flats but the more I study the sport and the more I get into it the more I fall in love with the Jumps.
On another note, how much do you think Boston Bob would need to progress in order to be able to contend for next seasons Cheltenham Gold Cup? From my eyes it’s very hard to judge as he got bad rides his last 3 outings – at Leopordstown despite him winning Townend made bloody hard work of it. At Cheltenham (disregarding the fall) I think Townend went too early on him and Bob would rather have been chasing the leaders than leading coming into the last fence. Then at Punchestown Townend kept him about a mile away from the others and left him with way too much to do resulting in the fall.
On another note, how much do you think Boston Bob would need to progress in order to be able to contend for next seasons Cheltenham Gold Cup? From my eyes it’s very hard to judge as he got bad rides his last 3 outings – at Leopordstown despite him winning Townend made bloody hard work of it. At Cheltenham (disregarding the fall) I think Townend went too early on him and Bob would rather have been chasing the leaders than leading coming into the last fence. Then at Punchestown Townend kept him about a mile away from the others and left him with way too much to do resulting in the fall.
Ben,it doesn’t take me long to assess who actually knows their horses on here,who think they know their horses on here,who actually know very little about horses on here and who want to learn about horses on here.You fall into the first and last category!
Your assessment of the last 3 rides Paul Townend gaveBoston Bob
are spot on,the less said about them the better,the positives to take from ‘Bobs’ performances only suggest to me that the 40’s available on the machine at the time for next years Gold cup had to be taken,the 32’s available now are still too big for a horse that will be ridden by Ruby Walsh next year.
Boston Bob
doesn’t have to improve anymore than your average RSA winner to be a Gold cup sort,he’s going to be a lightly raced 9yo come next March and if he improves 10lb in that time he’ll be a player.
One slight concern is he can jump a little sketchy but he likes Cheltenham and he aint No Ryanair sort,he’s bred to stay further than 31/2m so I’m confident he’s a player.First Lieutenant
,16/1 is still my No 1 selection though as he jumps for fun!They are my 2 against the field Ben.
As forFrankels
progeny,well if you put a 100 racehorses in a field with ‘Frankel’ you could identify him just by his profile and by the way he moves and looks,he’s certainly different to look at.Anything he sires with the confirmation of him will be ante-Post fav for the Guineas before it even sets foot on a racecourse.Exciting sire!
You are incapable of saying sorry.
You said they rated Battle Of merengo 14 lbs clear of the field when it was only 5 lbs Gord. Whatever you may think of Timeform, you are wrong and any right-thinking person would put that falsehood right.
Deliberately misrepresenting Timeform’s ratings is a new low, even for you.
Jim Mcgrath Quote…"Battle of marengo’ has 14lbs in hand of the field".He was rated 14lbs higher than any other horse and yet TAPK
told the world he was a certainty to LAY.You on the other hand would sh*t bricks that he could possibly get beaten,even Michael Tabor lost heavily on him! Now shut the **** up bleetin like a Lamb!May I suggest you take a peep at the Racing Post website Gord.
Look up the King Edward.
Then take notice of the BHA OFFICIAL RATINGS (OR) of all runners before the race.
Battle Of Marengo 117
Next best Greatwood 103 It was not Timeform that rated Battle Of Marengo 14 lbs clear Gord, It was the BHA Official Handicapper ffs!
Next time you go over the top criticising a rating, make sure you get the right xxxxxxx ratings!
Value Is EverythingYou are incapable of saying sorry.
You said they rated Battle Of merengo 14 lbs clear of the field when it was only 5 lbs Gord. Whatever you may think of Timeform, you are wrong and any right-thinking person would put that falsehood right.
Deliberately misrepresenting Timeform’s ratings is a new low, even for you.
Jim Mcgrath Quote…"Battle of marengo’ has 14lbs in hand of the field".He was rated 14lbs higher than any other horse and yet TAPK
told the world he was a certainty to LAY.You on the other hand would sh*t bricks that he could possibly get beaten,even Michael Tabor lost heavily on him! Now shut the **** up bleetin like a Lamb!May I suggest you take a peep at the Racing Post website Gord.
Look up the King Edward.
Then take notice of the BHA OFFICIAL RATINGS (OR) of all runners before the race.
Battle Of Marengo 117
Next best Greatwood 103
Obviously Jim was quoting the Official handicapping of the horses to suggest
Battle of marengo
had 14lbs in hand then Ginge,just by association with Timeform we are used to Jim quoting their ratings but nonetheless I’m not going to hold that against Jim,he only confirmed to me at least that this ‘Battle of Marengo’ is one over-rated horse but like I keep saying to you…..I knew that anyway.Now Its common knowledge on here that you treat me like some Sex-God Idol of yours but I dont need to harp on about my ‘Gifts from God’ all the time but you cant help ‘teasing’ them out of me.
Now this ‘Different Approach’ thread is going to include a few more Lays as betting red-hot favs to lose is testament to a gamblers brilliance,I can see you starting a thread of your own backing every horse to lose now,that would make for a bit more reading than you backing every horse to win as its just getting a bit boring……..Hold on it looks like you are backing them to lose! 
Aaah Apologies Ginge you are backing them to win but they are losing!!
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