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    Avatar photoNathan Hughes
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    Concorde running today at Windsor in a handicap at long odds on

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    Pontefract not Windsor… :wacko:

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    Curtis just made sure he is ridden out to the line. Won by 8-10 lengths and that’s how it should be done.

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    Winning any handicap by eight-to-ten lengths is definitely NOT how it should be done.

    First priority is to win, for sure, but second is to win by not too far or too obviously easily.

    Lester Piggott used to hold onto a horse in behind rivals until the last 100 yards and then shake them up to quicken alongside and pull half a length clear on the line.

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    Will probably go up a stone for his last two runs and picked around five grand in the process.

    Hope they had a good bet on it.

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    Ian, you’re not fooling anyone, if you win hard held by a length or driven out by ten. The raise would be similar in both cases.

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    “If you win hard held by a length or driven out by ten. The raise would be similar in both cases”.

    I’d be interested to see if any analysis has been done on that. If what you say is correct (and it may very well be) then why do the riders persist in doing it?

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    “First priority is to win, for sure, but second is to win by not too far or too obviously easily.”

    Usually yes – but I expect Curtis was mindful about what happened last time and how Cosgrave was hammered on social media. There was no way he was going to win being cute about it.

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    “Ian, you’re not fooling anyone, if you win hard held by a length or driven out by ten. The raise would be similar in both cases.”

    ERL, read my post again – Piggott had a third way: he’d wait and wait until the last 100 yards, so he had to roust the horse to go from a few lengths down to getting up by half a length or even a neck.

    I agree winning hard held fools no one, but there are other ways to make it look harder work than it was.

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    “then why do the riders persist in doing it?”

    So as not to subject the horse to a harder race than is necessary.

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    Ian, I agree with you about Piggott and I have no proper example right now to prove what I’m trying to say, but I’m sure we’ll find a few races during the turf season.
    Anyway, just consider how high the opening marks of horses from the bigger stables (Stoute, Gosden, Balding, Appleby etc) are, compared to the ones from smaller stables. I do think that handicappers have their own opinion and it’s not too easy to fool them.

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