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- September 4, 2018 at 13:59 #1370429
Entries out, and the good news for me is that none of the four in mind for this, have made it. It certainly takes away a bit of a headache for me.
https://www.racingpost.com/racecards/190/listowel/2018-09-12/711123
https://www.oddschecker.com/horse-racing/ante-post-racing/national-hunt/kerry-national/winner
What is giving me a headache, is that my old friend Our Father is in there, can’t believe it. Three years off the track, but he’s in the best of hands with Gordon Elliot, and crucially, he goes well fresh. Well there’s fresh, and there’s “fresh”, and three years is a proper break, but he must be showing something, and it’s an immediate problem for me. If he’s good to go, off of 130, then really, I have to be involved in some shape or form.
Elliot has won the last two renewals, and he’s also taken on Rogue Angel, the 2015 Winner. I really like this horse, and his debut for the yard was rock solid. He’s surely got another big one in him, and he’s extremely high on my shortlist, in fact he’d be my #1 for this at the moment, if not for Our Father. His style should suit perfectly here. The horse that beat him last time, Timiyan, is also in there, and he’s at the other end of the scale, progressing nicely, and he’s very high on the list also.
Not surprisingly, they aren’t the only pair from the Elliot yard. Jury Duty is a smashing horse, and as the season proper, looms, he’ll have plenty of options. I’m not 100% convinced that he’ll take this in, I see him as a definite Troytown Candidate, before bigger things in the spring, but nonetheless, he has to be taken seriously. As well as Rogue, he has other Gigginstown candidates, in the shape of Thunder and Roses, and Lord Scoundrel. They’ve both won major prizes, and are both worth a second look. Scoundrel was running a big race in this two year ago, off the back of his Galway Plate win, and though he wouldn’t have won, he’d certainly had made the frame. First glance tells you that he’s got his work cut out, but he looked sore or stiff a couple of times last year, they was certainly something bothering him, and he looked more like it the last couple of times. 13lbs lower than two years ago, and very hard to dismiss lightly. 33’s is enormous. Thunder and Roses is a lot easier to dismiss on recent showings, he’s certainly cost me a few quid, but I don’t know, there’s just something about this horse which I can’t give up on. The only real positives I can see, is the switch to Elliot (god knows what he could do with him), and also that ever slipping mark. He’s a lot riskier than Scoundrel, but I will watch jockey booking with interest.
Gigginstown will be looking for a four timer in this, and they have other ammo too. Wounded Warrior came back to life in style at Punchestown, but last two runs have tempered enthusiasm just a tad, with the new mark maybe taking it’s toll. I would happily draw a line through stablemate, old Road To Riches, and I’d have retired him last year, but Aintree was an eye opener. Don’t know what to make of him, but I liked the route they took for the prep, and his mark is continuing to slide. Who knows? All Hell Let Loose is solid, if not spectacular type for Henry De Bromhead, but I would just be a bit surprised, if this was his day.
I’d be more positive about De Bromheads other entries. A Rated had a very very nice prep, and though he hasn’t actually achieved that much, he’s hinted at ability on more than one occasion, and does have age on his side. Riviera Sun was just behind him last time, and though I think he’d just come up short in this, not to mention the fact that he’s struggling to get in, he’s a nice enough type for JP, and his run at Galway last summer offers plenty of encouragement.
As well as Riviera Sun (and Timiyan), JP can also call on Blazer, Oscar Knight, slowmotion, Spider Web, and the admirable Carlingford Lough. Carlingford never landed a blow in The National, where I was very keen on him, but like Road To Riches, he’s extremely well weighted, and keeps begging the question, “what are they still in training for”. I feel there must still be a target, and though this isn’t really his time of year, he’s hard to pass over lightly. Oscar Knight has been an unlucky horse in the past, he blundered away the win in The Paddy Power a couple of years back, and I don’t recall him getting an entry for this before, which may be telling. Interesting entry, and I could see him backed in the lead up. I thought Slowmotion had the world at her feet, but she hasn’t quite delivered, and her run in the Galway Plate, although respectable, wasn’t quite enough for me here. Down the field last year, and I don’t know if a 4lb swing will make a big enough of a difference. I did though, see signs of encouragement from her in The Grimes Hurdle. I bet Spider Web last time at Galway, and he got badly hampered, and having been rushed back into things, took a tumble. I reckon he would have went close that night, and he’d be seriously considered right now, if not for the fact that he’s struggling to make the cut. One for the nearer the time definitely. That leaves us with market leader Blazer. He looks a worthy favourite for me, from the Willie Mullins yard, and he has plenty of ability, as well as being thoroughly unexposed over fences. His chasing career has been very encouraging, and his warm up race, alright it was in The Galway Hurdle, was rock solid, and if not for the fact that he could have other options in the coming months, he’d be impossible to be negative about, certainly off of his really generous looking mark.
It’s not actually a race I automatically look to, for Closutton runner, but Blazer could be joined by Haymount, Townshend, and Saturnas. Townshend hasn’t fulfilled his early hype, he was a proper “talking horse” two years back, but he’s had an eye opening prep, and has the time to deliver. Saturnas also has time on his side, and though he’s had a low key start to his career over fences, he looks just the type that Mullins could lay out for something, he has the ability. Haymount looks high enough on what he’s actually achieved, but a step in the right direction last time, and I keep going back to his run behind Tiger Roll at Cheltenham, in The NH Chase. That’s solid as hell, and if he can ever reproduce that, he’ll be winning a prize of this nature.
I’m in the unusual position of being very keen on a horse for both this, and The Cesarewitch. Yeah, I know. Sandymount Duke heads the weights, but I love this horse, and I think the mark is fair. He’ll be going the right way at Listowel, and he’s very interesting, despite top weight. Cracking dual purpose horse, and the 14’s looks fair. Shortlist material, but obviously has huge number of options, and can’t be bet before the day.
The same applies to the British Challengers, they all have their merits, the resurgent Shantou Village, the bang in form, Dell’ Arca, and Bishops Road, who’s got plenty to prove at present, and probably weather dependent. A case could be made for all three, but wise to wait until they travel.
There’s couple in there, who are really causing me a problem. Vieux Morvan was disappointing last time, but if he’s “blew away the cobwebs” with that run, then on his runs at Leapordstown last year, I’d be giving him a massive chance. Kilcarry Bridge isn’t getting any younger, but he’s a very likeable type, and his last run will have put him spot on for this. If looking for an outsider to give you a proper run for your money, this is your lad, and he could lead them a merry dance for a fair way.
Peregrine Run, and Snow Falcon are both classy contenders, and have to be respected, could see them both having the race by their clutches (or is it talons) on best form. This is the target for Peregrine, and he had a smashing prep last week. Very weather dependent though, and I can’t see them running if there’s rain, so not one to rush into just now, certainly no need to anyway at his current price. The ability is there with Falcon, but he has to show something over fences soon, as he’s became expensive for followers. Both of these could easily take a say, if on a going day.
The Wests Awake was so unlucky last time at Killarney. Race at her mercy, and she took a cruncher at the last. Perfectly weighted, more than capable of this, and if none the worse for that spill, a player for sure.
The likes of Jarob, Bay of Freedom, Supreme Vinnie, and Call It Magic, are all regulars for this type of prize, but just seem to come up short. Of those, I think Vinnie has the most potential to surprise, while I’d love to see Bay of Freedom prove me wrong for his owner, who’ll hopefully come on here, and give us his thoughts.
Down the bottom, strangely, and I can’t really back this up strongly, but I could actually see Master Appeal running well, while Major Destination, and Rightville Boy have a lot to do on current form, though it’s hard to forget Rightville Boy in this two years back, it was a cracking run behind Wrath of Titans. What is he getting kept in training for?
Tough gig then, and not betting “immediately”, though I’ll probably crack very soon.
The chances of those at the head of the market are obvious, but the three Giggs inmates at Elliot’s, make massive appeal, Lord Scoundrel, Thunder and Roses, and Rogue Angel. At the moment, I’ll go with the latter. Stablemate Our Father wins this I think if he’s fit, but is a huge question mark. Regardless, should he line up, no way will he be 25’s, and even at this early stage, I can’t believe that is holding. I will be betting him.
Of the rest, Sandymount Duke, Timiyan, and Vieux Morvan giving me the biggest headache, for the Antepost selections. I’ll be with a couple Antepost, and one further added on the day (well hopefully just the one).
Early Shortlist
Our Father #1 25’s
Rouge Angel 20’s
Lord Scoundrel 33’s
Sandymount Duke 14’s
Vieux Morvan 20’s
Timyan 10’sGL
September 4, 2018 at 19:16 #1370567I always look forward to your write-ups VTC and this is no exception; great job! I think Sandymount Duke is very interesting. The forecast is for fairly dry conditions and, while they put plenty of water on at Listowel, it is likely to be no worse than genuine good ground. Robbie Power was really keen on his chances last year before the ground went against him. I just wonder if he is quite as good over 3 miles but it is a flat course albeit it takes plenty of jumping. Our Father is very well handicapped but 1350 days is a long time. The biggest concern might be if he actually gets in; he needs 12 to come out and , to be honest, it’s not clear which ones they would be.
As regards Bay of Freedom here is the unfiltered truth:
He is in wonderful form and if the race was run at Curragh I would be pretty confident. Unfortunately, it is 3 1/2 hours away and that presents a real problem as it appears he has a remarkable ability to generate stomach ulcers in record time and the consequent pain leaves him unable to perform to anything like his ability. At Wexford last time we scoped him three days before the race and he was perfectly clear; after the race I asked Peter to have him scoped the next day. He thought I was mad (as did the vet)but it turned out he had Grade 3 ulcers (they only got to Grade 4). It was either the travel to Wexford, the racecourse atmosphere or some combination that caused their rapid onset. There are only limited things you can do in such a situation, it is obviously caused by stress and the main relaxants are not allowed within 72 hours of a race. We are trying everything (and a few new things) this time but I am not overly confident. To be honest, if he runs and develops ulcers this time then this will be his last race; I am not prepared for him to endure unnecessary pain. We will find a good home for him if that were to happen and, maybe, a new career; I could seen him show jumping or in dressage. It is very frustrating as, when he is able to run his race, he does have a lot of ability so I am really hoping that, on a course he likes and race he has run well in before,he can put up a good performance.
To add to my frustration Kevin Sexton has broken his wrist and will be unable to ride and, looking at the likely runners, I am not sure we are going to have a lot of choice regarding jockeys; ‘best available’ has never been truer. However, on a more positive note, his form in September and October has been excellent throughout his career and if you were to rank the field based on the Racing Post TopSpeed ratings he would be top (something I do everyday just to make me feel better)
Roger Loughran rode him last week and said he had never sat on a horse with clearer wind and that he would win a big race one day; like I say, he’s in great form but all we can do is keep our fingers crossed. Roger will obviously be on Peregrine Run if he runs and he ran a very nice race at Killarney. Peter’s horses are running well and I think Peter will be tempted to run him in this race. He’s not been done many favours by the handicapper and is not fully proven at 3 miles but the ground will definitely suit him.I will post a link to my blog nearer to the race. For now, many thanks VTC – you have helped to raise the excitement and anticipation levels significantly.
September 4, 2018 at 20:32 #1370679You’re welcome BoF, and I can’t argue with such a comprehensive update. That’s a real shame about the ulcers, but I think anyone reading this will be pleased to see he’s in good hands. As usual, if he makes it there, I’ll have a quid or two on him. Blog will be a good read as ever I’m sure.
Good news about the weather for Sandymount, and I share the concerns about Our Father, believe me, but I just have to bet him.
Best of luck
September 5, 2018 at 18:19 #1371127Second go for me, and having missed the 20’s, took the 18’s for Rogue Angel.
Rogue Angel 18’s Win
September 6, 2018 at 08:09 #1371480Looks like the forecast has changed and, right now, they are forecasting some rain most days. Amounts vary depending on the forecast but it could potentially be a little softer than originally thought. Current going is now good, good to firm in places.
September 9, 2018 at 23:23 #1373364It’s a decent quality field for sure. I’ll probably stay loyal to Haymount and put a little on your lad too BoF. Thanks for update.
I’m a fan of Sandymount Duke too as you know but I just wonder if he is the same horse this year as last year. Same goes for another of my favourites from last year, Peregrine Run, and the ground may do for them both, and also Supreme Vinnie, if it’s any softer than good.
(I know WPM has said Haymount likes good ground too but he has decent form on soft).Oscar Knight is another I’m interested in; obviously Elliot could win it with anything; not sure about Blazer’s jumping. Townshend is an interesting entry. I used to be keen on him but his jumping kind of went to bits for a while. Up in trip but he is German bred I suppose. Is this last chance saloon for him before the sales? Would love to see Slowmotion go well, she is a lovely mare and only 6, if she gets into a nice rhythm and jumps well she could be right up there.
September 10, 2018 at 09:44 #1373429I’ll probably side with Haymount provided he shows up. I do think he he probably needs more of an extreme test but at the price i will take a punt on him.
It will be interesting to see if Mullins can break the Elliot stranglehold on the big staying chases in Ireland. Given the amount of Giggy firepower, it’s unlikely but i am sure he will try!
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Hindsight is 20/20 so make the most of it!September 10, 2018 at 11:30 #1373433Given that there are a fair few of those staying handicap chases and they are worth a few bob, I wouldn’t be surprised if he targets them a bit more (and conversely I reckon if Elliot is going to wrestle the title away he needs a few more graded hurdlers to pinch some of the money that Mullins currently hoovers up).
I suppose it comes down to box space…the arms race has to end somewhere!
September 10, 2018 at 14:46 #1373446Good luck with Haymount guys, love that run at Cheltenham a year and a half ago, and when he does reproduce it, it’s gonna hurt.
Still looking for another here, but definitely holding off, in case it might be another pair, as if Our Father was ready, I’d have expected a bit of market movement by now.
September 10, 2018 at 18:42 #1373464Terrific race in prospect. Plenty of old favourites, one of which I’ll be staying loyal to in Dell Arca. English raiders aren’t exactly sending trembles across the Irish Sea, but he’s clearly in good nick and Pipe’s in a decent patch of form.
Do we know when Gigginstown auction off their “castaways”? I don’t like to back their horses on principle alone (didn’t work out for me at Cheltenham!). However I would like to have a small wager on Rogue Angel and Thunder and Roses who look too well handicapped to ignore.
This really does get those jumping jollies going!
September 11, 2018 at 10:46 #1373556Sale is a week tomorrow Peter, 19th.
September 11, 2018 at 12:31 #1373605Aaah pig. I’d love to see one of their sold horses win a big prize!
September 11, 2018 at 15:09 #1373622Rogue Angel seems very likely to get in tomorrow with Wounded Warrior already doubful…..
Gary O’Brien tipped up at 14s, but i’d say 8s might be at risk as well with Blackmore jocked up.
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Hindsight is 20/20 so make the most of it!September 11, 2018 at 17:21 #1373629Great minds GaG
I too am on Haymount and Oscar Knight and the third one I plumpued for was Rogue Angel!!Good Luck all
September 11, 2018 at 21:20 #1373655Haymount 20/1
Looks overs to me for a horse that looks pretty certain to stay well compared to many of these. Jumping is normally his let down however.
September 11, 2018 at 23:04 #1373661I wouldn’t be taking too short of a price about Bay of Freedom but I do have to say that he has never looked better; with him, I am not sure if that actually means anything come race time. If he runs his race I would be most scared of Snow Falcon, Vieux Morven, Bishop’s Road and Haymount. Anyway, here’s the latest blog: http://www.cheltenhamdream.com/blog-diary/2018/9/11/the-pressure-is-on
September 12, 2018 at 02:44 #1373672Great read BoF, and wishing you the best of luck today. My sentimental quid, had just became two quid.
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