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  • #1341891
    Avatar photoVenture to Cognac
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    Only fifteen left at the five day stage, but it’s a strong fifteen, and thankfully, these days they actually run it once the weights have been framed for Aintree.

    https://www.racingpost.com/racecards/23/haydock/2018-02-17/692568

    The field is headed by the 1, 2 from last year, namely Blaklion, and Vieux Lion Rouge. Blaklion gave Vieux Lion Rouge 6lbs last year, and that made the difference, so he has his work cut out to give him 11 lbs this time around. Blaklion is arguably a better horse this time around, but it still seems a big ask to me, and if he can do it, I could just see connections reconsidering The Gold Cup. To win this would be a monster performance, and I just can#t bring myself to write him off completely, as big an ask as it seems.

    Vieux Lion Rouge hasn’t been seen much this season, with only the one run under his belt, but a similar approach worked the oracle last season, and he seems to have rock solid claims here, and the 10’s with BetVic looks very generous. Hard to pick holes in him, and the only complication I can see is from stablemate Daklondike, who’s also in the same ownership, but with Daklondike holding an Eider entry, I’d be surprised to see both of them heading here. Daklondike himself would have claims here, based on the manner of his last win, but surely VLR is the stables #1 for this.

    The Dutchman could also be Newcastle bound, but with the stable back in form, they’ll surely let him take his chance here. As we’ve seen already this season, some horses just perform better round here, and his second to Sam Spinner, followed by his win in The Peter Marsh, would make this the preferred target surely. He beat a decent field that day, though the manner of his win didn’t suggest he wanted as big a rise as 13lbs, but he’s a horse going the right way, he certainly promised loads as a novice, and with that stable form in mind, he just has to be given serious consideration here.

    The Venetia Williams pair, Yala Enki, and Emperors Choice can both claim course form here, though you have to go back a few years, to The Fixed Brush Hurdle for that Yala Enki success. He’s flattered to deceive a few times since then, and though he has a good swing in the weights here with The Dutchman from The Peter Marsh, I just think he has to step up a bit, and there’s the suspicion that he hasn’t been finishing his races as you would expect. I’ve said many times that he has a big prize in him, but I’ll very reluctantly pass him over this time, and hope he takes up his engagement at Kempton. I know how that’ll end lol. He seems to have been around for ever, but Emperors Choice is only a 10 year old. After a spell in the doldrums, he fairly bounced back here in December, and crucially, he won in the manner of a horse with a bit up his cuff. He’s still at the right end of the handicap, and he’ll come here off the same mark as he won The Welsh National. I give him solid each way claims here, and he’s very big at 20’s. I suppose the gamble with him would be waiting to see the final decs, as we’re borderline surely on any firms going 4 places, but his chances of making that first four seem good to me, and I might just wait. The temptation though to play at 20’s just now is there though, and rightly or wrongly, his Eider entry will be enough for me to hold fire.

    Another with course form is a horse I’ve already bet for this, Three Faces West. He won in a canter here last season, and though back here in December, he took a spill, if back to his best after injury, then he’s weighted to romp this. It’s never that simple though, and the yard is badly out of form, and he hasn’t fully convinced that he’s over his setback of last year, not to mention his rather unique approach to fences. He’s a very risky selection then, and I didn’t go mad on him, but the engine is there, and before that setback last season, I thought it was a foregone conclusion that his future lay outwith handicaps, and off his current mark of 144, I had to risk a few quid.

    Mysteree won nicely round here just over a year ago, and he just seems more at home at a flatter track like Haydock, and this kind of test looks more suitable than the likes of Chepstow. He’s in The Eider though, and that does temper enthusiasm for an Ante-Post play at this stage. Nice horse, who would have loads in his favour, should he trap here.

    Silsol ran no sort of race here in November, behind Sam Spinner, but he was entitled to that, as that was his fist run since beating the likes of Native River over hurdles at Wetherby. I didn’t see that much wrong with his fifth in The Welsh National, and I don’t think he deserves to be 20’s off the back of that, and I think he’s way underpriced. Another though with an Eider entry.

    Kerry Lee is represented by Krackatoa King, and Alfie Spinner. Krackatoa had no excuses at Warwick, but Alfie is in the form of his life, not hammered for his great run at Chepstow, in The Welsh National, and though a 13yo, it would take a brave man to write off his each way claims here.

    We’ll never know how Wild West Wind would have fared in The Welsh National, but what’s not up for debate is how he was travelling that day, before falling, and the manner of his win there in December was very impressive. I think he’s good value at 6lbs higher, and he has leading claims if over that fall.

    Dan Skelton could also be double handed, with Sir Mangan & Captain Chaos in the mix. Sir Mangan was well touted for Warwick, but off of this mark he came up short, and he also has a Kempton entry, while a test like this is a complete unknown for The Captain, and it just has to be a watching brief for him until I see how he copes.

    Joe Farrell doesn’t really appeal, unless it badly cuts up, and he’s another with an the option of Newcastle.

    A few alternative arrangements then for the majority of these, and I’m particularly keen to see Emperors Choice go to Newcastle, as I think he’s still weighted to win, and I’d also like to see Daklondike make the same journey.

    With that in mind, I’ll side with Vieux Lion Rouge, I just missed the 14’s, but that 10’s looks fair, and I’ll have some of that win only. There are enough question marks over Three Faces West, but happy enough to be on at 16’s, as he looked the real deal last year. Just the small matter of jumping, yard form, and an injury to overcome lol.

    Three Faces West 16’s
    Vieux Lion Rouge 10’s

    #1341977
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    Thanks for that Bobby :good:

    I’m a fan of Mysteree, and I’d be taking some of the 14s with
    Stan James if I were more sure than not that he would be heading here rather than
    the Eider. Problem is that he won the Eider last year and maybe the connections
    might think of having a go again this year. Both races are 50 grand + races to
    the winner, and being a C/D winner at both it’s hard to know what way they will
    go. I fancy him a bit for the National, but he’s going to need a helluva lot of
    withdrawals and I doubt he will get in from his handicap mark. I’ll keep my ear
    to the ground for any indication as to where he’s headed, and I’ll have a bet
    either way.

    #1341980
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    Yeah Graham, nice horse, and I think he’d be a welcome addition to The National Line Up, and he’d more than likely have the services of Robbie Dunne, no bad thing round there.

    If he were mine he’d be Eider bound, but wherever he goes, he goes with a live chance.

    Obviously needs a win to get him there, but even then, I wouldn’t give up hope yet. Nothing to base this on, other than a hunch, but looking at the entries, I think No. 40 could have a lower OR than usual this year.

    #1342224
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    Great write up as per the norm Bobby :good: :good:

    I am on WILD WEST WIND for this. The welsh National run is a quandary because as you say we know not how he would have got on had he not fell but he looks like a stayer to follow to me and at 8/1 it is worth a punt that he shows up because if he does he won’t be that price!!

    Good Luck Guys :good: :good:

    #1342291
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    Yeah Raymo, certainly looked the part at Chepstow before that mishap, good luck with him.

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    I’ve backed Silsol for this. I think 20s is quite generous. He doesn’t have Bryony’s claim this time but has been dropped 3 lb for his respectable run in the Welsh National where he ran wide most of the way…he will have a smaller field to circumnavigate in this. He jumped quite well at Chepstow I thought, on his 5th start over fences and his first run over the bigger obstacles for yonks.
    One of his previous wins over fences was at Haydock, where Minella Rocco finished a couple of lengths behind him despite getting weight from him (old form but still). He stays and goes on heavy, was classy enough to achieve a good rating over hurdles and has shown battling qualities (in the aforementioned Haydock win). He has an entry in the Eider but is jocked up for Saturday. Noel Fehily is booked, who I like.
    Ticks a good few boxes :good:

    #1342320
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    See VLR misses this and goes to Ascot instead…as someone who backed Blaklion the other day I’m happy as I think he was a huge danger..sorry to any that may have lost out though…

    Think it’s a shame they’ve ditched Gavin Sheehan for STD…nothing against Sam but really rate Sheehan and thought he’s rode it well the last twice!

    #1342324
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    Will definitely be taking on the fav here, 9lbs higher than he was when he was second in it, not sure how much improvement this horse has in him and its a lofty mark to defy, will be laying him if he stays the price he is or shortens up

    Wild west wind @7/1 Will do for me, inproving, i liked his win prior to the fall with milansbar in behind, if he stands up he wont be far away i dont think,the dutchman another who could improve again over a fence, will stick with one for now

    #1342401
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    It’s rare for me to desert Blaklion, but the 8-1 for Wild West Wind is far too tempting. He was travelling so well at Chepstow so I have to be with him here, and I could be tempted with him as a third string for Aintree.

    #1342422
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    On heavy ground I’d be inclined to side with The Dutchman again who won well last time.

    #1342424
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    Horses for courses and all that Joliff. No bet for me in this, but he would easily be my bet here.

    #1342491
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    Like Wild West Wind for this although my enthusiasm is tempered by the angle that he could be hassled for the lead by Three Faces West.

    Form beating Alfie Spinner was franked in the WGN & he was going well until he fell in that race himself. Still well handicapped and like Heskin in the plate.

    If Blaklion wins this off that weight, in that ground, he’s an incredible little hoss.

    #1342559
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    3 1/2m on Haydock Heavy could be the sort of race that disproportionately favours low weights so Mysteree is very interesting but The Dutchman could be ok on 10-13. I was closely watching Captain Redbeard last time and that horse battled on dourly for pressure so how strongly The Dutchman stayed was impressive. He should improve for the extra 1/2m and Blaklion has to lump 11-12 so at 9/2 The Dutchman is the better bet. Yala Enki and the yard are out of form; won’t touch anything from the Hobbs stable at the mo; Silsol should make 3rd or 4th; Sir Mangan has to prove he stays. Wild West Wind could be thereabouts but I’m not convinced he’ll improve for the trip, will just stay on at the same pace as he does at 3m. 1. The Dutchman, 2. Mysteree, 3. Blaklion, 4. Silsol.

    #1342600
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    Fine write up, Bobby, as ever.

    If I’d backed Blaklion for the Grand National the last place I’d want to see him is on Haydock heavy with 11.12 over this trip. Hopefully Sam will look after him.

    Mysteree runs the odd poor race but is consistent in the main and has improved for the move to Scudamore. Trip and ground should hold no fears and getting 23lbs from Blaklion, should go close.

    #1342619
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    3.5 on the chase course.

    Nothing quite like it for cooling the blood.

    #1342622
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    Wild West Wind ew for me. Backed for this a good while ago hoping for better luck after Chepstow. :good:

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    I was guilt of overthinking the Becher but I won’t be this time and have had a limited stake bet on Blaklion at 11/4. The weight could tell late on but I’d hope Sammy will give him a sympathetic ride to try and do as little work early on as possible.

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