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  • #1291614
    hayper
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    Actually I think Moon Racer has a chance to get better of The New One, I would leave him in Supreme just to keep unbeaten record at Cheltenham…Class horse wins Champion Hurdle, he is a big price at 7-1, but not always favs win this race. Good luck everybody who is with Brain Power! I expect Henderson’s horses to pull a bit clear from the rest of the field.

    #1291695
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    What will finish second in Champion Hurdle – Buveur or Petit ? Any ideas?

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    What will finish second in Champion Hurdle – Buveur or Petit ? Any ideas?

    Brain power ;-)

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    Dependent on the pace of the race.
    Footpad will be in the three imo if they hammer around

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    #1291699
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    I took 80/1 with Skybet on Yanworth/BD in any order with Footpad third. Only a fiver but I thought as far as 80/1 shots go that’s not too bad.

    #1291704
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    1st buveur dair
    2nd moon racer
    3rd yanworth

    Petit mouchoir the only danger to these imo.

    #1291709
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    What will finish second in Champion Hurdle – Buveur or Petit ? Any ideas?

    Brain power ;-)

    I hope Brain Power will finish 1st, but it’s racing, you can never be sure, and even if you are sure, sth unpredictable can happen, BP is my ‘banker of the festival, but we all now there is no bankers in this game :scratch: . Footpad is very good horse in the race with proper gallop, was closing the gap between him and Petit Mouchoir with every stride last time out, I could see him picking up the pieces.

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    What is it if I may ask that backers see in brain power? In regards to winning a champion hurdle.

    #1291713
    hayper
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    Even Nicky Henderson says there is not much between BP and BD, it’s all down to ground, BD likes it softer, BP is not effective on slow ground, but good to soft is perfect for him. If BP would have won his last race at Cheltenham not Ascot, he would be fav for this race.

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    What is it if I may ask that backers see in brain power? In regards to winning a champion hurdle.

    a) He won two handicaps very impressively, posting very decent times and looked to have a lot left. The handicap route has been done before.
    b) He remains unexposed in a weak CH by all standards, and others are exposed at this level.
    c) He jumps very well
    d) He is working with Altior at home who would comfortably be odds on for this
    e) Hendo thinks he is good enough and he has won this more times than any other – I respect that
    f) I thought he did well when thrown into the grade 1 at Punchestown last year. He has clearly improved since then
    g) He has little to find on ratings with the likes of Yanworth and he is more than double the price.

    I think the case for BP is quite straightforward personally.

    Good luck one and all

    #1291724
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    Don’t get me wrong, I’ve backed Brain Power, but you can’t be using some of those things to back it up.

    Nicky Henderson thought Sentry Duty and Afsoun were Champion Hurdle horses! Dick Doughtywylie worked with Golden Horn but that was never a tip for him.

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    What is it if I may ask that backers see in brain power? In regards to winning a champion hurdle.

    a) He won two handicaps very impressively, posting very decent times and looked to have a lot left. The handicap route has been done before.
    b) He remains unexposed in a weak CH by all standards, and others are exposed at this level.
    c) He jumps very well
    d) He is working with Altior at home who would comfortably be odds on for this
    e) Hendo thinks he is good enough and he has won this more times than any other – I respect that
    f) I thought he did well when thrown into the grade 1 at Punchestown last year. He has clearly improved since then
    g) He has little to find on ratings with the likes of Yanworth and he is more than double the price.

    I think the case for BP is quite straightforward personally.

    Good luck one and all

    You left out the crucial bit about Yanworth outbattling him up the hill ;-)

    #1291730
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    Buveur D’air is awful value. His form last time is woeful in retrospect. He beat statues on heavy ground.

    Runner-Up Rayvin Black was pumped out of sight by Yanworth and then posted missing in France. The 3rd horse Irving looks gone at the game, stone last behind Yanworth, beaten 53 lengths last time.

    The collateral form is totally worthless.

    I backed Buveur D’air ante-post in last year’s Supreme but he was no match for Altior. I recouped my losses at Aintree but it was only by a neck from 40/1 shot Petit Mouchoir that he prevailed. I still have the underpants framed (and sealed I might add) to attest to the anxiety endured in the closing stages that day.

    Buveur D’air needs more and he will have to do it on very different ground, against better horses by far than he faced last time. I actually poached 3/1 about Buveur D’air for that last race, as, somewhat bizarrely, Brain Power was installed 1/2F early on. However I just can’t see value in him here, based on his overall career.

    I feel Yanworth is likely to be placed but may lack the required speed to put this to bed. It is not hard to envisage The New One flat to the boards from half way and I can see Petit Mouchoir looking vulnerable between the last two flights.

    I feel Petit Mouchoir’s last two wins may have been a bit flattering. He ran last season in a Triumph Hurdle that hasn’t worked out well at all. He was fairly clearly rooted at a mark of around about 150. However, because he upset Nichols Canyon, he suddenly leapt to a figure of 162. That looks highly dubious to me, with Nichols Canyon’s recent form whiffing like a month old haddock fillet and he’s making a very good impression of a horse gone at the game this past few months.

    Petit Mouchoir’s last race was virtually a match. with Nichols Canyon a faller and Ivanovich Gorbatov looking like he has had a wooden leg fitted since last year’s Triumph Hurdle. Pathetic would probably be flattering him of late. We were left with Petit Mouchoir lasting home on fumes from Footpad. Footpad also ran in that woeful looking Triumph Hurdle last season and he came into the race with a rating of 147. Petit Mouchoir’s diminishing 1 length win meant two things, he was dropped 2 lbs to 160 and Footpad was raised 8 lbs to 155.

    Isn’t it a bit of a coincidence that Footpad ran the race of his life in a scenario where there were effectively only two horses involved? Petit Mouchoir looked to have gone off too fast that day and that will be suicide at Cheltenham.

    I just find the Petit Mouchoir supposed improvement in really small fields and form which isn’t working out, to be very unreliable looking. Everywhere you look for a boost to the form you end up in a cul de sac of future unplaced horses.

    I have Petit Mouchoir overrated by at least 5 lbs and Footpad has loads to prove in my opinion in the context of even a weak looking renewal of the Champion Hurdle.

    Thanks for the good crack. Time for me to move on. Be lucky.

    #1291735
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    Another race where I won’t bet big. The more I look at it the more I’m drawn to Buveur D’Air. Wouldn’t mind MTOY or The New One winning but have decided to go with this guy.

    Just that gut feeling he’ll jump alongside Yanworth and go on comfortably.

    Off topic Noel Fehily at 15/2 top jockey is tempting me for a couple of quid. This guy, The Druids Nephew, Neon Wolf, Uknowwhatimeanharry and Charli Parcs (although I like DDS in that race), you never know!

    #1291736
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    Personally I think BP is the best horse in the race regarding proven form. It didn’t surprise me his big improvement, because he has en excellent pedigree (by Kalanisi – sire of Champion Hurdle winner Katchit, dam’s sire is Old Vic, the same sire has Annie Power’s dam). Kalanisi’s progeny go really well on good to soft, so on this ground in the race, where Petit Mouchoir and The New One will be lifting pace up , BP will be very hard to beat. I am not worried about Yanworth (he is a good horse though), BD is the main danger. Rev forecast between BP and BD is a sensible bet for me, but I would love to see BP winning and likely he will…

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    Brain Power took a huge step forward on his last start. He is rated only 2 lbs below the Favourite Yanworth.

    He is a young and unexposed horse and his rating increase came in a 19 runner handicap, where he shouldered 11-11 to an easy victory. Surely there is more chance of that form ringing true to some extent than those who have been winning or placing in tiny fields where only 1 horse has to run poorly to put a question mark beside the form.

    Brain Power travels well and the last twice he has quickened up to take command. Idling in front the first time he beat Consul De Thaix, he made no mistake as he thrashed him on worse terms next time.

    Brain Power is possibly one of the most intrinsically speedy horses in the race. Yanworth has been under pressure to win his contests and he met defeat over 5F further last season, he has also been sloppy with his hurdling.

    It’s all about value and as an example, we have Moon Racer, rated 14 lbs behind Brain Power almost the same odds, Buveur D’air beat trees last time, Petit Mouchoir’s form looks as thin as the ham in a budget sarnie and The New One has had more chances than a Monopoly addict.

    Maybe he won’t win this but I recall Nicky Henderson giving Brain Power as one for Cheltenham at the start of the season and half joking that he was his best prospect for the Champion Hurdle. I reckon he should be at his peak for this race and believe he holds a serious chance of picking them off after the final flight, hopefully played as late as the jockey dares.

    I’ll be tanking the Bourbon down my neck big style if he does. Jack and Jim will be the two guests at any party ;-)

    Thanks for the good crack. Time for me to move on. Be lucky.

    #1291742
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    You won’t be the only one Steve. :good:

    Value Is Everything
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