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December 7, 2016 at 08:21 #1275939
Gord, I wouldn’t be having a serious bet on the race. I spent half an hour trawling through and dug out those three or four I mentioned to have a fiver on. Thomas Brown strikes me as a possible improver, but I could easily be wrong. As you mentioned, yours doesn’t win often enough for my liking though granted he’s been keeping better company. Unless there’s a compelling case, I also have a tendency to avoid Nicholls in races like these where I think his horses get overbet.
December 8, 2016 at 14:24 #127605716 stand their ground, and the field is missing both Taquin De Seuil & Tenor Nivernais. The field could be further reduced, as Aloomomo may still be withdrawn if the rain comes.
December 8, 2016 at 14:44 #1276064A fascinating race where Kylemore Lough still looks good value at 11s with Betway. He drifted to 26 at one point on Betfair and I had assumed he’d miss it, but he’s declared and will have a fine chance.
Nothing has put me off Roman Flight who still looks about 10 points too long at 25s. Fehily has come off him to ride Thomas Brown for Harry Fry – he rides a lot for Fry but I don’t know if he has a retainer there. Anyway, D Russell has been booked for Roman Flight who looked cooked 2 out in a decent race at Newbury last time. He seemed to charge home from the last but I suspect the others were faltering having gone too fast.
There might have been an element of luck there, but he won and maybe it helped make up for defeat over 2 miles in a previous race where he’d lost his chance with a bad blunder in the Ascot race behind Quite By Chance. But he kept on very honestly – that seems characteristic of him despite wearing a visor – to finish within 8 lengths of the winner. That perseverance at the end of a race could stand him in very good stead up the hill on Saturday.
Prior to this he’d skated up at Stratford and all in all I think 25s is very good value. He sometime gets the occasional fence badly wrong (he’s not that big, certainly not an obvious chaser) so I’ve backed him with Coral on mobile (money back as free bet if a fall/UR).
I’ve deserted Sizing Codelco as there’s a chance he does not want good ground. I’ll review this if the rain comes.
So, in the hope of turning some kind of profit I’ve backed:
Solar Impulse at 85
Roman Flight at 25
Thomas Brown at 12
Kylemore Lough at 11
Village Vic at 7
Forced to have just one bet with value the priority, it would be Roman Flight Good luck all.
December 8, 2016 at 18:59 #1276084iys got to be FRODON for me. as he was going as well as any last time out. then whack on the 4th last. which completely stopped him. so really was eased off. i still think this 4 year old has plenty going for him at present so 12/1 im happy with
December 9, 2016 at 19:38 #1276249A fascinating race where Kylemore Lough still looks good value at 11s with Betway. He drifted to 26 at one point on Betfair and I had assumed he’d miss it, but he’s declared and will have a fine chance.
Nothing has put me off Roman Flight who still looks about 10 points too long at 25s. Fehily has come off him to ride Thomas Brown for Harry Fry – he rides a lot for Fry but I don’t know if he has a retainer there. Anyway, D Russell has been booked for Roman Flight who looked cooked 2 out in a decent race at Newbury last time. He seemed to charge home from the last but I suspect the others were faltering having gone too fast.
There might have been an element of luck there, but he won and maybe it helped make up for defeat over 2 miles in a previous race where he’d lost his chance with a bad blunder in the Ascot race behind Quite By Chance. But he kept on very honestly – that seems characteristic of him despite wearing a visor – to finish within 8 lengths of the winner. That perseverance at the end of a race could stand him in very good stead up the hill on Saturday.
Prior to this he’d skated up at Stratford and all in all I think 25s is very good value. He sometime gets the occasional fence badly wrong (he’s not that big, certainly not an obvious chaser) so I’ve backed him with Coral on mobile (money back as free bet if a fall/UR).
I’ve deserted Sizing Codelco as there’s a chance he does not want good ground. I’ll review this if the rain comes.
So, in the hope of turning some kind of profit I’ve backed:
Solar Impulse at 85
Roman Flight at 25
Thomas Brown at 12
Kylemore Lough at 11
Village Vic at 7
Forced to have just one bet with value the priority, it would be Roman Flight Good luck all.
I’ve studied this race up and down for about 3 weeks now Joe,I’ll spend 3 months on some but there is no way in this world ‘Kylemore Lough’ can win this,he simply isn’t good enough and yet at this rate he’s going to go off Fav..Yes he’s a Grade 1 Winner and normally that counts for a lot but he beat 1 horse in what has to be the weakest Grade 1 of last year..Yes he beat ‘Gods Own’ last time out and that form looks solid but he’s got 11-10 to shoulder and one swallow doesn’t make a summer.Off virtual level weights ‘Village Vic’ will beat him but confirming form with Bouvreuil could be tougher for the Hobbs horse.I’ll settle for both mine to be placed at 16/1 though and all things being equal they will.Good luck all the same.
December 9, 2016 at 21:01 #1276278If I’m at the head of a wagon train, I know I’m going to be closely followed by
Tommy (THM) and Botchy, heading for the promised land that is BUYWISE.
He is a bit of am enigma, and it seems he can only run one way, but there’s no
doubting he has ability. I bet him last time in the Betvictor GC, cajoled somewhat by
aforementioned Buywise groupies, more in hope than expectation, but he ran his usual
decent race taking 3rd. He finished 2 lengths behind Village Vic, and is 2lbs better
off this time. I’m more hopeful for him this time, I think he does have a decent shout
here as he’ll be happy on the ground and likes Cheltenham. It’s not as if I’ve just
followed him over a cliff and he’s cost me a fortune, he maybe hasn’t got his head in
front for 20 months, but he places more often than not, and at decent prices. I’m happy
to take the 10/1.I’m also happy to side with VILLAGE VIC, although I’m late to join
VTC, TAPK and Steeplechasing who took fancier prices, I’ll have to settle for the
8/1 I got. I don’t think there’s anything between Buywise and VV on their last running,
I’ll maybe stick them on a forecast too…..just in case.I bet Sizing Codelco last time out at Cheltenham, and he was gambled as if they expected
him to run well, but he ran no race. Joe mentioned earlier that he was overpriced at 25s,
you can get 33s with PP at the moment. He’s better than his last run, and I’m tempted, but
he was so bad that that I’m wondering if something is amiss. I might regret it but I’m going
to leave him alone this time.I’ll stick with those two, but if Art Mauresque still stands his ground later in the week,
and is anywhere near the 20/1 he is at the moment, I’ll probably have a nibble at him too.Buywise for me too
December 9, 2016 at 21:31 #1276288ratings
kylemore loch, kings oddysey, roman flight
December 9, 2016 at 21:48 #1276293I think this is a great race with several proven quality performers and quite a few up and coming potential improvers. It is very very tight and predicting the exact going at 1.50 can only be educated guesswork. My guess is G to S (S places).
Therefore, I have restricted myself to Kylemore Lough (W 8/1) – jumps well, improver & form already has substance. I strongly considered Quite By Chance E/W at 16/1 but the likelihood of a non runner and only 3 places put me off. I also considered King’s Odyssey to win at 12/1 but whilst an exciting prospect he has more to prove than many others.
December 9, 2016 at 22:27 #1276306This is proper tricky but I have been tempted by ASO and SOLAR IMPULSE.
I am not convinced with Aso at this trip but cannot let him run without backing him!!
And Solar Impulse did me a right favour at the festival and is only five pound higher and if the rain stays away will love the ground.
The only other one I was interested in was Bouvreuil but I think he is too short a price for what he has achieved so far.December 9, 2016 at 23:06 #1276319I’ve gone for Quiet by Chance at 14/1. It is clear that the horses of Colin Tizzard are flying at the moment. He is gone up in the weights, but still fair in my opinion. His last two races at Ascot were very good. Won a listed race quite easily and was second to Sire de Grugy, beating Vaniteux. Those results were over 2m1f, so my only concern whether he can see out the trip.
December 10, 2016 at 01:06 #1276336I believe BUYWISE has an excellent chance of being placed and reasonable prospect of a long overdue victory in this ultra competitive race
December 10, 2016 at 01:20 #1276338If I’m at the head of a wagon train, I know I’m going to be closely followed by
Tommy (THM) and Botchy, heading for the promised land that is BUYWISE.
He is a bit of am enigma, and it seems he can only run one way, but there’s no
doubting he has ability. I bet him last time in the Betvictor GC, cajoled somewhat by
aforementioned Buywise groupies, more in hope than expectation, but he ran his usual
decent race taking 3rd. He finished 2 lengths behind Village Vic, and is 2lbs better
off this time. I’m more hopeful for him this time, I think he does have a decent shout
here as he’ll be happy on the ground and likes Cheltenham. It’s not as if I’ve just
followed him over a cliff and he’s cost me a fortune, he maybe hasn’t got his head in
front for 20 months, but he places more often than not, and at decent prices. I’m happy
to take the 10/1.I’m also happy to side with VILLAGE VIC, although I’m late to join
VTC, TAPK and Steeplechasing who took fancier prices, I’ll have to settle for the
8/1 I got. I don’t think there’s anything between Buywise and VV on their last running,
I’ll maybe stick them on a forecast too…..just in case.I bet Sizing Codelco last time out at Cheltenham, and he was gambled as if they expected
him to run well, but he ran no race. Joe mentioned earlier that he was overpriced at 25s,
you can get 33s with PP at the moment. He’s better than his last run, and I’m tempted, but
he was so bad that that I’m wondering if something is amiss. I might regret it but I’m going
to leave him alone this time.I’ll stick with those two, but if Art Mauresque still stands his ground later in the week,
and is anywhere near the 20/1 he is at the moment, I’ll probably have a nibble at him too.Buywise for me too
Good luck MOM, I’m hoping the 1st time blinkers maybe sharpen him up during the race
and he’s in a better position to take them on in the final furlong, rather than his
usual late swoop from the car park behind the stands.December 10, 2016 at 02:15 #1276345Horses aged 9 and up don’t win this. Bye bye, Turban, Module, Buywise and Village Vic.
Also a huge advantage to be French-bred. Bye bye, Kylemore Lough, Quite By Chance, King’s Odyssey, Thomas Brown and Sizing Codelco.
I suspect Full Shift is being prepared for a race at Kempton around Christmas, so we can overlook him. Bye bye, Full Shift.
I expect Roman Flight is handicapped to the max. Also interesting that despite the great record of French-bred horses, the 3 winners aged 8+ were all GB/IRE-bred. Bye bye, Roman Flight (and Module, and Buywise, and Turban. Again.)
So…Bouvreuil, Solar Impulse, Aso, Frodon and Aloomomo.
I have to agree with TAPK, I can’t see Aloomomo doing anything in this. He’s handicapped to the max because of that facile win in soft ground at Newbury. Well the ground today is quick, and he won’t be winning this. Bye bye, Aloomomo.
Bouvreuil…a lot of judges like him. Easy to see why. I just wonder whether the ground might be a bit too quick for him. He kind of got detached from the front 4 in the Paddy Power and was only running on late when his stamina kicked in. He’s finished 32025 in handicaps and gone from 133 to 146 in the process and might be in danger of maxing out his mark without winning a race. Both wins came on soft/heavy – he finished 5th of 5, beaten 29L on his only start on good ground. I don’t see any obvious reason why he should finish ahead of Aso, other than the ground. Aso killed him in the Paddy Power. Was held up behind him, flew past him, belted the last 2 and still finished ahead. I can’t see the 5lb swing in Bouvreuil’s favour reversing terms.
Aso. Ground concerns also plague him. His 5 career wins all come on soft/heavy. He’s never run on ‘good’ ground or quicker before in this country. He killed Bouvreuil in the Paddy Power, he has much more speed (wasn’t completely disgraced in the Arkle), he beat Ballyalton off even weights in January on soft ground (Bouvreuil was getting 2lbs from Ballyalton in March and got beaten 1/2L) and he goes into the Caspian with an outstanding chance. He’s a Venetia Williams system qualifier, he’s French-bred, he’s the right age and he’s had the right prep. But is the ground right? If it’s right, I believe he’ll win. Interestingly, he’s only run in 2 handicaps – first, behind Arzal, who went on to win a Grade 2. The 4th + 5th won handicaps on their next or 2nd next start.
Frodon. No such concerns here. In fact the concerns for him are the reports of potential rain. 4/5 of his career wins have come on good ground. Ignore the 0 from the Paddy Power. He made a big mistake which effectively ended his race when making a move and had run only 7 days earlier. Like Aso, he’s French, he’s the right kind of age and he’s had the right kind of prep. Trained by PfN (has won this race 3 times with French-bred horses). My only other concern would be his age (4), but his price is nice enough to take the chance.
Solar Impulse – I reckon his connections are just looking to get his handicap mark down for March.
Strongest claims
1. Frodon
2. AsoDecember 10, 2016 at 05:50 #1276355If I’m at the head of a wagon train, I know I’m going to be closely followed by
Tommy (THM) and Botchy, heading for the promised land that is BUYWISE.
He is a bit of am enigma, and it seems he can only run one way, but there’s no
doubting he has ability. I bet him last time in the Betvictor GC, cajoled somewhat by
aforementioned Buywise groupies, more in hope than expectation, but he ran his usual
decent race taking 3rd. He finished 2 lengths behind Village Vic, and is 2lbs better
off this time. I’m more hopeful for him this time, I think he does have a decent shout
here as he’ll be happy on the ground and likes Cheltenham. It’s not as if I’ve just
followed him over a cliff and he’s cost me a fortune, he maybe hasn’t got his head in
front for 20 months, but he places more often than not, and at decent prices. I’m happy
to take the 10/1.I’m also happy to side with VILLAGE VIC, although I’m late to join
VTC, TAPK and Steeplechasing who took fancier prices, I’ll have to settle for the
8/1 I got. I don’t think there’s anything between Buywise and VV on their last running,
I’ll maybe stick them on a forecast too…..just in case.I bet Sizing Codelco last time out at Cheltenham, and he was gambled as if they expected
him to run well, but he ran no race. Joe mentioned earlier that he was overpriced at 25s,
you can get 33s with PP at the moment. He’s better than his last run, and I’m tempted, but
he was so bad that that I’m wondering if something is amiss. I might regret it but I’m going
to leave him alone this time.I’ll stick with those two, but if Art Mauresque still stands his ground later in the week,
and is anywhere near the 20/1 he is at the moment, I’ll probably have a nibble at him too.Buywise for me too
Good luck MOM, I’m hoping the 1st time blinkers maybe sharpen him up during the race
and he’s in a better position to take them on in the final furlong, rather than his
usual late swoop from the car park behind the stands.I quite agree. Took the 11s on him and just played Kylemore Lough also.
Expecting a decent run from Valadom at Doncaster in an early race at 9s so also done two doubles.
As usual, I’ll be recording the racing as am off to the footy as per.
December 10, 2016 at 08:43 #1276368I’ve had a fair bet on SIZING Coldeco ante post. He will improve for the step in trip and runs off a lovely racing weight. Stable are flying, I’m expecting a different horse to turn up today.
Also had a dabble on and ASO and BOUVERIUL. Good luck all
December 10, 2016 at 11:32 #1276430Buywise to win @ 14’s
It feels like this horse has lost me a fortune but i’ve actually done quite well with him when i think about it. Certainly good enough to win if he jumps the first few well, hence the win bet.
I’ve had Village Vic down to win this since the books opened and somehow never backed him. So had a small bet on him as well @ 8’s just to save me from jumping off a bridge if he beats Buywise by a nose.
Good luck to all, especially to the believers
December 10, 2016 at 11:41 #1276435I’m going for Frodon and Aso. Younger horses have often done well in this and these two had decent races in the Betvictor. I’ve hedged my bets a bit regards the ground, as i think Aso would like it softer but Frodon quicker, so going for both of them.
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