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  • #1223036
    Avatar photoVenture to Cognac
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    I think it’s always such a difficult race to try and pinpoint the winner of at this stage, with The Hennessy, and The Becher still to be run, but god loves a trier, so I’ll have an early look. I’m trying not to have a bet until the weights come out, but I just know that by the end of typing this, I’ll have talked myself into something.

    After making a mess of this in the build up last year, I got out of jail with Emperors Choice, who was thankfully available at 25’s in the morning, to give me my first winner in this since……well, it had been a while

    Emperors Choice, not surprisingly gets an entry again, and after winning at the weekend, and even allowing for the coming hike in the weights, he looks rock solid at 14’s. That was his first run since last year, and no surprise if Venetia has improved him even further in the last year. This race isn’t for every horse, and at least you’ll know he’ll cope with it’s unique demands. As well as Royal Palladium & Saroque, Venetia also has Houblon Des Obeaux, and Rigadin De Beauchene entered. Houblon looks to have The Hennessy as his immediate priority, and regardless of how he goes at the weekend, you could argue that he might be too high in the weights for this, but conversely, he’s a very decent horse, and not beyond the realms of possibility that he could carry a big weight round here, the ability is certainly there, and he’d be sure to get his ground. I think Rigadin is the most appealing from the stable. I must have mentioned about a dozen times on here that he was absolutely hammered, unfairly in my opinion, for a win at Haydock nearly 2 years ago, a race in which he had Emperors Choice back in 2nd. Not surprisingly, it was absolute quagmire that day, it seemed to have taken the stuffing out of him, and with the massive hike he’s barely finished a race since. He did though, run his best race for a while at Cheltenham last time, and now off 127, he’s pleading with me to bet him at 25’s.

    The first horse to grab my attention when I seen the entries was Benvolio. The Paul Nicholls trained runner, looked to travel really well in his seasonal debut in The Badger Ales, and I thought he looked as if he’d come on a ton for that. The only thing stopping me having a nibble at the 20’s, is the entry he holds for Aintree next weekend. Looks a winner waiting to happen wherever he goes. Nicholls has a few entered, including Rocky Creek, and Unioniste, who both hold an entry for Aintree as well. I find both of these horses so hard to predict, and although both look weighted to the hilt, they’re both decent animals. Black Thunder, and Hawkes Point both swerve Aintree, and could have this as the main target. Hawkes Point flopped in this last year after finishing runner up in 2013, but he followed this up with a win in The Classic Chase at Warwick, before running well in The Midlands National. He looks on a nice mark of 139, and should Benvolio run well at Aintree, I’d probably make him my #1 from the yard. Black Thunder looks the type to spring up in a big handicap, and after getting found out behind Many Clouds in The Betbright Cup at Cheltenham last year, he didn’t run too badly there behind The Druids Nephew at The Festival. Another who’s got a run under his belt, running at Cheltenham last week, and although well down the field, you’d at least expect to him come on for it.

    That race at Cheltenham was won by Sausalito Sunrise, and considering conditions, it was a very impressive performance. Only up 6lbs for that, and assuming it hasn’t taken too much out of him, then he looks the main pick from the Hobbs yard.

    Midnight Prayer, winner of The 4 Miler at The Festival last year, looks an interesting entry for Alan King. Not seen since picking up an injury in The Hennessy last year, he’s due out on Saturday. I’ll be keeping a close eye on him should he run at Newbury, as if none the worse for his setback, then the 33’s with Betvic might have a very nice look about it. Win or lose on Saturday, he would probably still be well treated, considering how good I think he is, and I might just take a chance on him now. King also has Annacotty entered, though surely asking a lot of for him to follow up his Paddy Power heroics here. Of more interest from the stable would be 2 notebook horses of mine, Sego Success, and particularly Araldur. Sego ran a cracker round here in October, and I’ve got The Scottish National, or The Classic Chase in mind for him, but his run at Cheltenham last time was a shade disappointing. I’m inclined to wait for Ayr or Warwick for him. Araldur ran very well for a long way at Bangor last time, and very much like Benvolio at Wincantion, looked as if his seasonal debut would get him spot on for next time. Arguably not good enough for a prize like this, nonethless, for a horse who’s better known as a hurdler, he looks as if he might have a few pounds up his cuff over fences.

    As an avid JP McManus follower, and despite him having tasted success in this before, I don’t immediately sway towards his runners in this, but this year, Wyck Hill looks a live one. 2014 Eider winner, with stamina assured, he’s been dropped 6lbs for falling in this years Eider, and pulling up at Aintree. The 33’s looks massive. JP also has Upswing, who can’t possibly be ruled out after his 2nd behind Sausalito last time, and a bold show could be in the offing, for a horse who’s clearly going in the right direction. His Heathfield is near the head of the market, and deservedly so, but I really think he’d be ideal for The Paddy Power Chase at Leapordstown, also over Christmas.

    As well as Heathfield, there’s a few others entered from across The Irish Sea, but this is a race where not too many make that particular trip, so always very risky from an Ante-Post stance. I’ll have a proper look at any Irish Raider, once it becomes clear they’re making the trip. One who’ll surely take his chance though is Glenquest. So nearly victorious in this last year, getting caught near the end, you’d think they’ll be out for revenge this year, and may hold on to him just a bit longer. 4lbs higher than last year, and a 12yo now, but I’d be surprised if he doesn’t go here, and the 25’s isn’t too harsh.

    It’s been a long time since 2013 winner Mountainous done much, but could be that that race took it’s toll. He’ll come here 5lb lower than then, and with Kerry Lee no doubt well aware what it takes to land this race, then off the back of a very encouraging run at Sandown last time, at 25’s, he looks a safe antepost bet, with him surely certain to head line up.

    Cogry heads the market, and though I’m a bit surprised at that, he did have a respectable return behind Sausalito last time, and nothing wrong with his run in The 4 Miler at The Festival either. I’d love to see his stablemate, my old friend Tour Des Champs get on the comeback trail here. Missed last season, but has a 4th in The Scottish National under his belt as well as placing in the “Racing Post Chase”, before an excellent 5th behind Holywell at Cheltenham. He’s been given a proper chance off 126, and it may be my heart ruling my head, but I can really make, fitness taken on trust, a case for him, and that 40’s is a ridiculous price. I’ll conveniently forget his run in this 2 years ago though, with my money on him. Just behind Cogry at Cheltenham last time was Shotgun Paddy, and he also finds himself near the head of the market, though he has plenty of poor runs to forgive, not least in this last year, after blundering early. That Cheltenham run was a step in the right direction though, but even taking his win in The Classic Chase at Warwick nearly 2 years ago, I’m still inclined to think he’s underpriced.

    There’s 71 still in contention for this, so that’ll do it for now, and I’ll no doubt pluck something else out, but for the meantime, Benvolio, Midnight Prayer, Mountainous, and Rigadin De Beauchene head the shortlist.

    GL

    #1223043
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    Bobby, that’s a monster post of your usual top quality, and you have monster cojones too having this in your mind so far in advance. I salute you! :good:

    #1223068
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    According to the trainer Sego Success handles soft ground really well but can’t handle heavy.

    #1223069
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    I too would give Tour Des Champs a squeak. I notice he’s been entered up in the Becher as well, so may have the Grand National as the target, but this mudlark must have a chance on 129 provided he can jump better than he did in 2013.

    Salubrious is another on my radar, although lacks chasing experience. Has a touch of class and could very well stay the trip.

    Venetia has made another excellent start to the season (November/December on soft ground is her time of year) so anything representing her must have a chance.

    I am attending this meeting for the first time so hoping for some good luck!

    #1223092
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    Hats off to you again Bobby, that’s absolutely top notch. I hadn’t given any
    real thought to the race yet, but the cogs have started turning now. You brought
    back nice memories with Rigadin De Deauchene’s Betfred Grand National Trial win
    at Haydock, he was one of the few I got right and put up before the race at 16/1.
    You were ahead of me, as usual, putting him up at 20/1.

    I managed to throw some of that back at the bookies in his subsequent races, before
    completely swerving him. You were right he did get hammered by the handicapper
    after that race, but I think they took into account that they may have been lenient
    only raising him 2lbs on his 2nd behind Well Refreshed, who was raised 15lbs.
    Off 127, if Venetia has managed to get him anywhere near his old form, he must
    have a good shout, especially if it comes up bottomless, which Chepstow usually
    does at that time of year.

    I’ve got time to mull it over, and will probably change my mind a dozen times
    before they go to post :unsure:

    #1223235
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    Well the weights are out now, I haven’t as yet bet my old pal RIGADIN DE BEAUCHENE,
    who doesn’t appear to have any engagements, at this time, before this race. Perhaps
    Venitia thinks he will do well fresh, as he did when he came out for the Betfred
    Grand National Trial after a year off in 2014.

    I am however very tempted to have a few quid on THE YOUNG MASTER, who gets 11st 2lbs.
    I am very keen on him in the Hennessy, and if he does as well as I hope he does, the
    14/1 which is on offer will disappear like snow off a dyke. With the favourites priced
    at 10/1, if he does win or go well in the Hennessy, he will almost certainly jump to
    the head of the market. He has won over 3m 3f in heavy ground at Sedgefield
    as a 5yr old, so I have no worries about the trip or the likely very heavy conditions at
    Chepstow.

    It’s always a bit of a chance taking ante post, not knowing for certain if the owner
    or trainer have intentions of heading to a particular race, but with Mullholland’s
    yard being 30 miles from Chepstow, I think it’s very likely he will head there.

    I’ve taken him at 14/1 for the Hennessy, he’s now best priced 10/1, although Coneygree’s
    defection will have some part in that. I was thinking about it, but as I’m typing I’ve
    just talked myself into having a bet now. I’m either going to feel quite smug, or a
    complete idiot after Saturday :unsure:

    #1223787
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    Bobby, that’s a monster post of your usual top quality, and you have monster cojones too having this in your mind so far in advance. I salute you! :good:

    Right up my street Joe this sort of work.Bob just loves a challenge these days and if one of his selections ever win I’ll tip my Crown! B-)

    #1223897
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    That would be an honour Gord ;-)

    #1223898
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    Faced with a quandry over Benvolio, who now misses Aintree.

    Don’t really want to add to the 2 I’ve already got, Midnight Prayer 33’s, and Mountainous 25’s, but I really do like him for this as well, and tempted by the 20’s. I’d also be interested to see if Houblon Des Obeaux gets dropped much after Saturdays poor show, he’s surely better than that, and a few pounds off could see him creep into this. I would though, want more than the 16’s on offer at the moment.

    #1226707
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    I have had a good look at this race today and have come up with three against the field……

    COGRY 9/1

    FOUROVAKIND 25/1

    LOVCEN 66/1

    Good Luck folks!!

    #1226724
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    Just as an addition to my last post I seem to be a little unlucky in this race!!

    The last four years I have backed Hawkes Point Glenquest Giles Cross and Triggerman !!

    The last time I backed the winner of this was L’Aventure in 2006 I think and that was with the away bookies when I was at Wetherby!!

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    Weather forecast not looking too kind, it is going to be the usual slog if not worse

    #1227093
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    This is more a question to do with the STABLE STARS COMPETITION,
    I’ll leave a copy of that post here in case someone reads it here
    and not on that thread …………

    It seems it’s not looking too good for Chepstow going ahead on
    Sunday. The transfers have to be in for 9pm today, I’ve been
    hanging on to see if there is any indication that it may go ahead.

    Does anyone have any idea if Chepstow Racecourse would run the
    race during the week if the conditions improve, or if they might
    make it on a weekend coming?

    The problem is that the Welsh National is a bonus race, but if it
    is not run before next Friday, it will fall into a different week
    as far as the competition is concerned. I’ve read through the rules,
    the only thing that is mentioned is that any race cancelled which
    falls outside the racing competition dates (14/11 2015-30/4/2016)
    won’t count.

    If anyone, like me, is still hanging on to find out what the likelihood
    of the meeting going ahead is, it might be an option to miss the Welsh
    National, and use their transfer for another race, unless you already have
    one in your stable for the Welsh National. The risk there, is that if the
    race is run midweek, there are big bonus points to be won.

    It’s whether to risk picking one for the Welsh National, and hoping it goes
    ahead before next Saturday, or trying to pick a winner in one of the races
    over this Sat/Sun worth over £30,000. I’m leaning towards a bird in the hand
    at this point.

    Any ideas or opinions?

    #1227376
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    It’s a pity the race has been cancelled, I really look forward to it
    at this time of year. However, looking on the bright side, it’s an
    added bonus for me, and for anyone who had an ante post bet on
    THE YOUNG MASTER, and probably a few others. TYM was not pulled out
    a couple of weeks back in favour of the Sodexo Silver Cup at Ascot,
    but he’s been re-entered for the rescheduled Welsh National on 9th
    January.

    If he does go this time, he must be in with a shout. He was doing
    his best work in the last couple of furlongs over the 3m of the
    Sodexo at Ascot, a running on strongly 4th and closing the leaders
    down without quite getting to them. He looks the type for this and
    I think he will get the 3m 5f, he has won over 3m 3f at Sedgefield,
    and will definitely handle the likely heavy ground.

    16/1 with Coral (if you can get more than 15p on with that mob) seems
    a good bet. There have been some market moves for him this morning, still
    plenty of 14s about but cut to 12s with a couple of firms.

    #1227386
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    Betvic are standing their bets, I’ve still to check with other Firms, but both mine stand.

    I’ve got The Grand National firmly in mind for The Young Master, though obviously not without a chance here as well. Another “adequate” run here, would see him on an appealing mark for Aintree.

    The extra week might also see a rethink on O’Faolains Boy, but I really hope he doesn’t go here, as he’d have to have a serious chance, but it might not do him any favours with a view to Aintree.

    #1227389
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    I should have taken that into consideration Bobby,
    I had checked on Ladbrokes, where my bet is, and they still had it standing.
    I haven’t seen anything stating their intention, but I would have thought
    they would have returned it by now with the race cancelled. I hope most
    bookies go along with Betvic and Ladbrokes.

    Pity Betfair didn’t go along with that for you.

    I agree he could be a National horse, and the “adequate” run you mention
    is a bit of a worry. Winning handsomely might not in his best interest if
    their goal is the National.

    Same applies to O’Faolains Boy who, as you say, has the same problem.

    At least I’ve got a chance with my bet, that’s if the Waley-Cohen’s don’t
    have another rethink, as they did with today’s race.

    #1228600
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    They’ll need two dry days after this next massive band of rain that’s coming through tonight.

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