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- December 8, 2014 at 18:11 #27168
Finally Caspian Caviar sponsor a big race………..about time.
Shame they couldn’t get a better turnout for their support, and 16 runners at this stage is a bit of a disappointment. To be fair, this race is probably never as high profile as The Paddy Power, but it’s a decent enough prize in itself, and the quality looks a bit thin on the ground.
The Paddy Power is always the obvious starting point for this race, and the winner that day, Caid Du Berlais, gets an entry. Hit with a 5lb rise, that’s going to make life tougher, though on the face of it, probably not prohibitive, and with the decimated field, he must have a strong chance. The odds though, as low as 7-2 in places, reflect this. His run in The Paddy Power was timed to perfection, and only a 5yo, it would seem reasonable to assume that he’s got a lot more improvement to come. He had always kind of passed me by before the Paddy Power, but annoyingly, I was aware of how potentially well treated he looked, and he had clearly run well in a lot of hot races. I don’t think a 5lb hike is enough to keep him out the frame here this time.
A few of the entries here, also took in the race, though obviously not as many as there usually is.
Edgardo Sol, and Ericht were down the field, and of the 2, I’d sway towards Edgardo. He’s been a very costly horse for me, and I’ve bet him many times the last couple of years. I thought he was going to be just short of top class for a while, but he seemed to really go off the boil. He did however, have a really good prep for this in The Old Roan at Aintree, behind Wishfull Thinking, so the ability is still there, and that reads even better after The Petrborough Chase. He certainly, albeit briefly, looked like he was going to take a hand in proceedings, in The Paddy Power, but he just couldn’t get there. I seen enough there though, to consider him each way at 20’s in this weaker heat. I’d all but written off Ericht for The Paddy Power, and I thought I was going to have egg on my face, as he looked dangerous heading for home. Yet again though, he came up short, and I reckon he’s got to drop a few pounds before he lands a prize like this, though I’m a lot more reluctant to write off his chances this time around. This line up is a different proposition altogether. Eventually pulling up in the race, was the David Pipe trained Easter Meteor. The burden of my cash didn’t do him any good, and he was very disappointing. Although he had only been with Pipe a matter of weeks, I thought that might have been time to give him a bit of an edge, but he ran very flat, and his run when falling close to home in last years Paddy Power, remains, probably his best run in the last year. I wouldn’t be in as big a rush to bet him this time around, though that 16’s is going to look huge if Pipe has had him long enough to work his magic.
Attaglance was an eleventh hour withdrawal for The Paddy Power, and he didn’t look without a chance that day, certainly going back to his run at in The Rewards4Racing Novices Chase at The Festival. But for a moment of madness from his rider, he would have won that day, and he deserves some recompense. He’s only had one run over fences off his revised mark, since that day, and he ran respectably enough. He remains on the shortlist here, and the 12’s available with Boylesports and Stan James looks appealing, certainly when he’s 8 elsewhere. He does however, come with risks ante-post, as he probably wouldn’t want it too soft, so might be better to take the odds on the day..
Vying for second favouritism are No Buts, Sound Investment, and Barrakilla. The 3 of them locked horns at Sandown a month ago, with Sound Investment coming out on top, giving plenty of weight away. There wasn’t that much between them that day, but on revised terms, No Buts put Sound Investment in his place at Newbury last time. No Buts has been put up 10lbs for his win that day, and as impressive as he was, I’d fancy Sound Investment to finish ahead of him here, though he still has a fair old chance at 8’s. Sound Invsetment, without being one of Paul Nicholls superstars, is consistent enough, and bar a poor show at Aintree in the spring, is never far away. Like his stablemate, with age on his side, and from a top yard, he looks a valid each way proposition at 12’s. Going back to that Sandown race, then Barakilla must come in to the reckoning. As mentioned, not much between the 3 of them that day, however Barakilla will come here only a pound higher, and of the 3, he’d get the nod. That was his first run of the year, and if, as could be expected, he comes on from that, then he looks very appealing at 10’s. The weather forecast will hold no fears for him, and from connections who are no strangers to landing the odd big prize, he’s very definitely on the shortlist.
Another yard getting used to landing decent prizes is Dan Skeltons. He’s got What A Warrior, and Workbench entered. This looks short enough for What A Warrior, and he may be high enough in the weights at the moment. His run in The Hennessy was a bit disappointing off the back of 2 victories, albeit he was very impressive at Ascot, and dangerous to totally write off after that run. I’m more interested though in Workbench at this stage. I’d have liked him to have been closer in a moderate affair at Exeter last time, but forgiving him that he looks as if he could be on handy enough mark. In fine form this season, winning 3 times mixing hurdles and fences, I think his current mark has a bit of room to manoeuvre. He didn’t disgrace himself behind John’s Spirit, here in October, nor did he disgrace himself when stepped up in trip in The Badger Ales at Wincanton. I really think at 20’s, he’s an interesting one.
The Philip Hobbs yard can do no wrong at the moment, but I’m struggling to get too enthusiastic about Carrigmorna King. After winning at Stratford in the autumn, his rise in the weights seemed to find him out last time, in the race at Newbury taken in by No Buts, and Sound Investment, and he never really landed a blow.
It’s very rare I don’t give a lot of attention to a Venetia Williams runner, but as nicely as Niceonefrankiewon last time, he’s been given a massive hike, and I think that’ll be enough to stop him.
A Kim Bailey trained winner would be very popular, and he looks to have an interesting runner in Darna. A very promising Novice in 2012, he struggled a wee bit the following season, before disappearing without trace for 2 years. He came back though at Sedgefield last month, winning as he liked, and although another to have been hit hard for his win, the sheer manner of his victory, off the back of a 2 year spell on the sidelines, suggests there might be more to come, and it certainly looks as if he’s been very well looked after by Bailey. 14’s looks fair.
If it’s a consistent animal you’re looking for, then Headly’s Bridge might fit the bill. Dependable enough, and rarely runs a bad race, he started his season off with a win last month, for which he wasn’t unduly punished. There’s just the thought though, that a prize of this nature might just be beyond him, and despite being as low as 14’s in places, he’s still readily available at 25’s elsewhere. He’d probably need everything to fall right for him, and he doesn’t look totally out of it, but as dependable as he is, I’ll just have to leave him be for now.
“Old” Tatenen ran no sort of race at Sandown last month behind No Buts, Sound Investement, and Barakilla, but I just feel that, round here, he might just be a different proposition. It’s only a year ago he was winning a competitive handicap at Newbury, and although put up a fair bit of that, it didn’t stop him having a decent season. He’s managed to get here off the same mark as finishing 3rd behind Ballynagour in The Byrne Group Plate, and 4th to Ma Filleule in The Topham. That’s 2 pretty decent runs, and forgiving him that Sandown no-show, then he looks as if he can land a blow, and at 25’s, I’m taking a chance each way.
I’m struggling to justify the run from Splash Of Ginge here last time. He was well beaten in a hot Novice event, and off the back of that, he’d have his work cut out here. There is though, a strong suspicion that he’s going to be better than that, and with each race, he’s gaining valuable jumping experience. He landed a small field affair here in October, and though, as has been the case, his jumping was a bit sticky in patches, he dug deep enough to win it. The hustle and bustle of a race like this won’t phase him, as could be seen from his win in The Betfair Hurdle last season, a season in which he showed himself to be a very promising animal. The stable landed this last year with another Novice, and though he clearly comes with risks, in this weak enough renewal, and at 14’s, I think he’s worth that risk.
A disappointing enough line up then, and though the head says Caid Du Berlais, I’ll take a chance on Splash Of Ginge, with Tatenen to chase him home, closely followed by Barakilla, and Workbench. Easy

Good Luck
December 8, 2014 at 19:07 #497911Great preview as always.
I agree about the 12/1 on Attaglance, looks a standout price to me and one that I have taken. He was unlucky behind Present View off levels at the Cheltenham Festival and that form held up well in the Paddy Power Gold Cup. Caid Du Berlais gave Present View a two length beating in receipt of a pound but will have to give Attaglance five pounds. The ground is currently described as good, which should suit and I think this could be his day in the sun. 12/1 looks much too big for a horse with his form imo.
December 8, 2014 at 21:40 #497924Barrakilla for me.
Would expect improvement from Sandown travelled like the winner touching odds on in running only to tire for a lack of fitness. Trainer vibes are not to over stated which is a plus for me.
Not many miles on the clock. For me best handicapped horse in the race. Think his price could be higher on the day as trainer had quiet few weeks.
Certainly going to be playing in this.
December 9, 2014 at 10:44 #497949Agree on Attaglance, I backed him AP for the PP, but the rain did me. With better ground on Saturday, he should be bang there at the finish.
I’ll take a chance on Ericht too – make a shocking mistake at 2 out in the PP when not without a chance and should also enjoy the better ground. He set of fav in the novice handicap chase at the festival too – but it is a worry than he’s run more than one bad race at the venue.
Attaglance 12/1
Ericht 12/1Good luck all.
December 9, 2014 at 13:16 #497968Sound Investment and No Buts look like the two to focus on for me.
Both six year olds with similar profiles their form is intriguingly tied together from their last two meetings.
Sound Investment was a cosy winner on the first occasion, with No Buts fourth, a little over five lengths behind. No Buts weakened late on that day, perhaps needing the race, whereas the Nicholls runner was having his second start of the season.
What sways me towards No Buts this time is the way he turned the form around in good style with Sound Investment on their next meeting. Jumping well and travelling strongly, he went on to win in a manner that makes me believe he can confirm the form off the revised handicap terms they will meet off in this race.
No If’s No But’s it’s No Buts for me.
You’ll never put a better bit of Butter on your slip.
Thanks for the good crack. Time for me to move on. Be lucky.
December 9, 2014 at 13:26 #497969Easter Meteor also had my money in the PP and I will not be giving him another chance. Very disappointing. So he has a chance then

Thinking about Edgardo Sol at present, as VTC says the Old Roan form stood up in The Peterborough Chase thanks to WT’s win. Looking at past form though he has not won since Aintree, April 2012 so just hope he hasn’t forgotten how to win.
Another super write up from VTC and good luck to all
December 11, 2014 at 21:10 #498157A couple of trends to think about perhaps…
6 of the last 7 winners were rated 143 or higher.
7 of the last 9 winners finsihed in the first 3 last time out.Only these 3 satisfy both of those at the 5 day decs stage…
Sound Investment
Caid Du Berlais
DamaSound Investment doesn’t look like he will run so it leaves the two. Previous course winners tend to do well at Cheltenham, so i am siding with Caid Du Berlais.
Good luck !!
December 12, 2014 at 00:07 #498166There’s something about the name of this race that makes me think I’ve nodded off and woken up in a different dimension….shades of the Hitchikers Guide to the Galaxy about it
December 12, 2014 at 11:06 #498190"They’re under orders and they’re off for the Caspian Caviar Gold Cup and it’s bad news for Steve Caution, as his horse is being roe-d along already"

Thanks for the good crack. Time for me to move on. Be lucky.
December 12, 2014 at 11:39 #498198I’ve only ever ate caviar once and that was when I was at a wedding and there was a buffet which included some little crackers with stuff on that was topped with little bits of caviar. I was so excited at the thought of actually eating caviar that I ate loads of them. Kept thinking ‘bet I’ve ate £50 worth now’
December 12, 2014 at 16:49 #498223Do you mean the Massey Ferguson?
Rob (aka Old Father Time)
December 12, 2014 at 23:37 #498267Wish it was still the Still Fork Lift-Trucks
They do seem to struggle with this meeting
December 12, 2014 at 23:51 #498270A bit of useless information for you:
In the late 70’s/early 80’s I was driven to school in a maxi car by the father of a friend of my brother’s. Winning jockey of Simian, 1970 Massey Furguson (December) Gold Cup winner, David Moore. Not that I knew of his win at the time.
Anyone know anything else about his career?
Value Is EverythingDecember 13, 2014 at 00:28 #498273A bit of useless information for you:
In the late 70’s/early 80’s I was driven to school in a maxi car by the father of a friend of my brother’s. Winning jockey of Simian, 1970 Massey
Furguson
(December) Gold Cup winner, David Moore. Not that I knew of his win at the time.
Anyone know anything else about his career?
Furguson? A good tractor to drive when it’s
pelting
down?
Thanks for the good crack. Time for me to move on. Be lucky.
December 13, 2014 at 01:12 #498279Probably more reliable than the Maxi car tbh.
Value Is EverythingDecember 13, 2014 at 08:06 #498296Excellent, professional write up by the OP.
As usual in a race of this nature you can make a case for almost every runner, however the one I feel could feasibly be most in front of his mark is Darna. A hugely impressive run after a long break LTO, and the Champ booked.
12’s looks great to me.
GL all.
December 13, 2014 at 12:41 #498349I’ve only ever ate caviar once and that was when I was at a wedding and there was a buffet which included some little crackers with stuff on that was topped with little bits of caviar. I was so excited at the thought of actually eating caviar that I ate loads of them. Kept thinking ‘bet I’ve ate £50 worth now’

Well done MO, that made me laugh out loud….a touch of class.
As for the race, I’m hopelessly in no man’s land. I’ve changed my mind a dozen times and eventually, and without any strong conviction, I’ve plumped for David Pipe having worked out what to do with Easter Meteor after having one run for him under his belt.
He ran a couple of good races at Cheltenham, and more notably Newbury last year at this time, and I’m hoping he can come right again and improve for his shift to Pond House. 18/1 with several bookies this morning makes him a decent e/w bet.
I also have stuck a saver on Edgardo Sol. I know he has been disappointing to follow, but he still strikes me as a horse that looks like he has the ability to come good in a race like this. His very good run in the Old Roan Chase at least let us see that he still retains ability. 16/1 is too big a price.
It’s one of these races that whoever wins, I’m going to look at the winner and think, well it was bloody obvious wasn’t it !!
Good piece of work again VTC.
Best of luck guys.
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