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    honeysdad
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    I don’t know why they can’t just leave the ground well alone some horses prefer genuine good ground and they are entitled to run on it .

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    fivelongdays
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    Lion Na Bearnai’s out, which is a shame.

    Have redone my four against the field. For now

    Imperial Commander

    The classiest horse in the race. Doesn’t need to be back to 2010 form to win here – and his run in the Argento was very encouraging. OK, no top weight has won since Red Rum, but they’ve been knocking on the door lately, and this year, with this horse, the door could open.

    Always Waining

    The best Aintree horse since Red Rum. The trip’s an unknown, but if he’s ridden sympathetically, and if he can make the distance, his price is a silly one.

    Rare Bob/Roberto Goldback

    These horses are the biggest trends horses. They are the sorts of horses to win Nationals. RB is a grade one winner, while RG has decent form as of late, especially with his win at Ascot. The other horses that came close on the trends were Big Fella Thanks (why can’t he be entered in the Scottish National? He fades towards the end at Aintree) and Aurora’s Encore (Very close to backing this one, but at the end of the day, he seems to have fallen a bit too often for my liking).

    FLD

    Twitter=@PGHenn

    So don't run, just like the others always do

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    I don’t know why they can’t just leave the ground well alone some horses prefer genuine good ground and they are entitled to run on it .

    Why? Because there’s a bigger chance of horses dieing if they don’t.
    No they are not "entitled to run on good ground.

    Fact is if they aim for "good" ground then there’s a chance it will be "genuine" good-firm or good-soft on the day. If they aim for good-soft then there’s a chance it’ll be good or soft on the day.

    Any chance of a surface on the firm side of good could be disasterous for the race.

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    #434754
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    I don’t know why they can’t just leave the ground well alone some horses prefer genuine good ground and they are entitled to run on it .

    Why? Because there’s a bigger chance of horses dieing if they don’t.
    No they are not "entitled to run on good ground.

    Fact is if they aim for "good" ground then there’s a chance it will be "genuine" good-firm or good-soft on the day. If they aim for good-soft then there’s a chance it’ll be good or soft on the day.

    Any chance of a surface on the firm side of good could be disasterous for the race.

    There is no statistics to show that more horses die in the National on genuine good ground . Noone is suggesting it is run on good to firm .

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    You suggested they "just leave the ground well alone" HD, so you were suggesting they run the race on good-firm because that is what leaving the ground well alone

    might

    end up with.

    No team of groundstaff can be 100% accurate. If they AIM for good ground there is a possibility they get it wrong and are left with GENUINELY good-firm. I say "genuinely" because there’s no way Aintree will actually call it "good-firm", they know there’d be widespread withdrawls; but that is what the times might tell you it is.

    Why do you think the National is any different to the rest of jump racing HD? If the rest of jump racing has more injuries on a firm (or even a "good") surface … why should the Grand National be any different? Softer the ground the fewer injuries and fatalities, that is just obvious! If the Grand National statistics don’t show that – then it is either because it is such a small sample (one race a year) to be a statistical blip or something more devious. If it is just a blip then the more races are run the more statistics will come in to line.

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    Had a dream last night that Roberto Goldback, Rare Bob, Sunnyhillboy and Black Apalachi (yeah yeah i know, but it was a dream!) were jumping the last together. And although Roberto Goldback edged into the lead coming to the elbow as Rare Bob and Sunnyhillboy faded; it was Black Apalachi who just outstayed my main hope… so in typical dream fashion; it is the completely impossible situation which panned out :roll:

    Fairly confident with Roberto Goldback and happy to have Rare Bob in my team. Already backed them both and also have little savers on Balthazar King and Auroras Encore…

    Just really unsure what to make of Joncol. Robbie Power’s booked to ride, which will only improve his chances… but is his jumping up to scratch?

    #434778
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    I don’t think he’s ever fallen?? Difficult to assess, even with his tendency to jump right [?]. Might be a problem at the Canal Turn but means he’ll be flying after the last fence!! Was very keen on Rare Bob last year and think I’m going to top up my bet on him. Chicago Grey is bothering me because I just don’t fancy him [jumping wise]. But then again better to have a horse you don’t fancy win than have a horse that you do but haven’t backed. That’s my

    logic.

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    It’s not how many horses finish the race that’s the problem, it’s the injuries sustained through both falling and by running/finishing the race.

    Of course it is about how many horses finish, the greater the number of casualties the more chance of injury. I would have thought that was pretty obvious.

    Perhaps you can provide some genuine statistics to back up your ideas regarding injuries that have been a direct result of racing on quicker ground?

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    It’s not how many horses finish the race that’s the problem, it’s the injuries sustained through both falling and by running/finishing the race.

    Of course it is about how many horses finish, the greater the number of casualties the more chance of injury. I would have thought that was pretty obvious.

    Perhaps you can provide some genuine statistics to back up your ideas regarding injuries that have been a direct result of racing on quicker ground?

    I could ask you the same question Stilvi, to produce genuine statistics to back up your ideas that firmer ground does not produce more injuries/fatalities. I suggest you ask any doctor or vet.

    I ask you again Stilvi, would you rather fall on a soft or harder surface? If you ran and fell on these two surfaces:

    A) Ground that has been watered to produce a soft surface.

    B) Ground that had no water (including rain) for some time.

    Which surface would you have the most chance of recieving injury/broken bones?

    As someone who runs around tracks and footpaths Stilvi, I’d rather fall several times on soft ground than just once on a harder surface.

    There may or may not be more or less fallers/finishers on soft or firm ground. The point is WHEN a horse/jockey falls it has a greater chance of injury the harder the ground is. On softer ground there are likely to be a greater number of pulled up horses Stilvi. Because soft ground means runners get more spaced out and there are fewer horses in contention. So it is entirely possible fewer horses may finish a race, yet fewer injuries.

    Then there is the fact running on a harder surface jars more, especially if the horse has a round action; so just running on a firmer surface can cause injury – including even those who finish the race.

    I am not aware of any official going/injury statistics based on

    percentages

    Stilvi, but the jockeys doctor did mention a percentage. For which I remember even I was surprised the difference between a soft and firm surface.

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    Anyone know what’s kept Lost Glory off the racecourse for 6 months? :?

    Im not 100% sure but i Think he incurred a small injury after winning at Chepstow, and then I would expect he’s been kept for this once recovered.

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    Lion Na Bearnai’s out, which is a shame.

    Have redone my four against the field. For now

    Imperial Commander

    The classiest horse in the race. Doesn’t need to be back to 2010 form to win here – and his run in the Argento was very encouraging. OK, no top weight has won since Red Rum, but they’ve been knocking on the door lately, and this year, with this horse, the door could open.

    Always Waining

    The best Aintree horse since Red Rum. The trip’s an unknown, but if he’s ridden sympathetically, and if he can make the distance, his price is a silly one.

    Rare Bob/Roberto Goldback

    These horses are the biggest trends horses. They are the sorts of horses to win Nationals. RB is a grade one winner, while RG has decent form as of late, especially with his win at Ascot. The other horses that came close on the trends were Big Fella Thanks (why can’t he be entered in the Scottish National? He fades towards the end at Aintree) and Aurora’s Encore (Very close to backing this one, but at the end of the day, he seems to have fallen a bit too often for my liking).

    FLD

    I think Always Wainings price is derived from the fact he’s likely to go for a record breaking fourth Topham win.

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    I’ll be betting 5 or 6 as I always do but have now settled on my main bet – Join Together. As mentioned, I usually avoid EW but 16/1 JT paying 6 places (Betvictor) is outstanding value imo.

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    quinz is out

    vf

    #434856
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    gonna have an each-way punt on across the bay- tough horse that battled it out last time in a hurdle race, and likely to improve for the step up in trip. whether he’s good enough remains to be seen.

    also will have a bet on on his own- the favourite but none of the other fancied contenders look convincing to me, and he has the perfect pedigree for a national winner,jam-packed with stamina.

    #434870
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    Join Together has got the National winning pedigree but I just wish he was a year older.

    #434880
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    i’ve added tea for three to my bets on across the bay and on his own. lumpy bets on all three. :shock:

    liked the horse at the start of the season, and aintree could be the making of him.

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    GRAND NATIONAL Aintree 4m3½f

    158 Imperial Commander 12 11-10 Nigel Twiston Davis 1U1P/2
    Despite top weight is well handicapped on 2010 Gold Cup win. Encouraging first run for year and ten months in January. On the face it Imperial Commander can be expected to come on for the run, ½ length 2nd to Cape Tribulation (who gave 6lbs) in Argento Chase. However, has excellent record fresh/at Cheltenham and now a veteran; it’s possible won’t improve significantly from reappearance. Cape Tribulation went on to be 21¾ lengths 5th to Bobs Worth in Cheltenham Gold Cup next start; a race Imperial Commander missed with an infection. Yet to race at extreme distances but stays on at the finish of races to suggest he’ll get the trip. Usually jumps well and races at or near the pace.
    Sam Twiston-Davis

    157 What A Friend 10 11-9 Paul Nicholls P/33F7-8
    Never dangerous 8th in Racing Plus Chase only start this term. Winner at Aintree over normal obstacles, but didn’t appear to take to these fences when pulled up in 2011 Grand National. Increasingly looks temperamental and difficult to win with. Run style (held up/dropped out) doesn’t generally lend itself to this race. Likely to stay this trip. Part owned by Sir Alex Furgeson.
    Sam Thomas

    156 Weird Al 10 11-8 Donald McCain PF-4PP
    Seems an Autumn horse, winner of Charlie Hall and good 10 lengths 3rd to Kauto Star in Oct/Nov 2011. Only form this season 4th of 5 runners in same race. Intermittent breathing problems probably a reason for a loss of form/enthusiasm. Usually travels well when on song; never going and pulled up last time out in Denman (Aon) Chase last time. Fell 4 out in Grand National when already beaten last year and just 3 lbs better in now. Possibly best with give in the ground and yet to prove stamina.
    Timmy Murphy

    155 Quel Esprit 9 11-7 Willie Mullins (Ire) 113-04
    Likes to get on with things, Quel Esprit usually races to the fore and unlikely to be suited by this test. First run for 9 months in February, bad mistake 5 out and bit below best; 25¼ lengths last of 4 finishers behind Sir Des Champs in Grade 1 Irish Hennessey. Seemingly outstayed when 11½ lengths 3rd to China Rock in 3m1f (heavy) Punchestown Gold Cup last season. Quel Esprit has disappointed on good ground, but soft/heavy will place even more emphasis on stamina.

    154 Big Fella Thanks 11 11-6 Tom George 7/U312
    Part owned by Seb Coe, Big Fella Thanks may be one for the back to lay traders, 7th or better in three Grand Nationals. Comes there travelling like a winner but failing to get home. In fairness his finishing effort at shorter trips can leave a lot to be desired too; so it may not be purely down to stamina. Looked winner off a 6 lbs lower mark in Becher Chase (3m2f heavy) in November, only to once again fold on run-in for 3rd. Despite beaten 1¾ lengths is now 7 lbs worse off with fast finishing 2nd Join Together. Big Fella Thanks today runs off a higher mark than he’s previously carried around here, same one as when 5 lengths 2nd (giving 12 lbs) to Pacha Du Polder at Newbury (2½m) last time out. Won penultimate start off 9 lbs lower mark. Short run-in from last at Wincanton helping his idling tendency. Suspect temperament is holding Big Fella Thanks back.
    Denis O’Regan

    154 Seabass 10 11-6 Ted Walsh (Ire) 1113-23
    Could this be the year of a true National Velvet? With Seabass as The Pie and trainer’s daughter Katy Walsh taking Liz Taylor’s role. Seabass came close 12 months ago when 3rd off 5 lbs lower mark than today. Now 5 lbs better off for beaten 5 lengths by 2nd Sunnyhillboy. 7 lbs worse off with 4th Cappa Bleu for 7 lengths, 13 lbs with 6th Ballabriggs for 12¼ lengths and 5 lbs with On His Own, who was going well when coming down at second Beechers. Seabass had looked to be going best between last two fences and 90 yards shorter trip this year may work in his favour. Couple of prep races have gone well; 2nd over inadequate 2 miles over hurdles and good 3rd to Roi Du Mee (winner since) in Grade 2 Bobbyjo Chase (3m1f) last time. Seabass a bit better than distance beaten suggest, winner having run of the race out in front. Consistent, equally effective on soft or good ground and jumps well; Seabass is a likeable individual who may have more improvement in him.

    154 Roberto Goldback 11 11-6 Nicky Henderson 7-1U355
    Seemed at least as good as ever first start for present trainer in November off 4 lbs lower mark of 150; giving 6 lbs and a 9 lengths beating to Duke Of Lucca. Race not worked out well, first five home failing to win since. May flatter Roberto Goldback and form doesn’t look as good now as it did at the time. Not given hard races in last three starts with this as a known target. Last time out gave 14 lbs and beaten 14 lengths 5th to Opening Batsman in Racing Plus Chase off this same mark. Unseated in Hennessey at Newbury but generally jumps well. Yet to prove stamina beyond 3m1f.

    152 Sunnyhillboy 10 11-4 Jonjo O’Neil P912-5P
    Quickened in to a clear lead on run-in of Grand National until pegged back and headed on line. Sunnyhillboy is 5 lbs worse off for 5 lengths back to 3rd Seabass; 12 lbs worse off for 12 lengths with 4th Cappa Bleu and 19 lbs worse with 6th Ballabriggs for 17¼ lengths. In good form at time of 2nd place; running off the same 142 mark as when successful on previous start in Kim Muir at Cheltenham; full 10 lbs higher today. Jumped better than previously for his best two performances, both on good ground. More improvement can not be ruled out and chance could be enhanced if AP McCoy decides to ride. McLernon became unbalanced after Aintree elbow and less forcefully ridden close home than winner Neptune Collonges. However, Sunnyhillboy reportedly returned with an injured tendon; so there’s also a chance he’s not be up to producing 2012 form. Poor form of two hurdle races this season don’t mean anything, trained specifically for the Grand National.

    152 Ballabriggs 12 11-4 Donald McCain 1/46-P73
    Dropped 8 lbs since 6th last year, making more mistakes than when victorious. Now 19 lbs better off with runner-up Sunnyhillboy for 17¼ lengths, 13 lbs better off with 12¼ lengths to make up on 3rd Seabass, 6 lbs better with 4th Cappa Bleu for 5¼ lengths. Three runs this season told us little, with this race the one and only target. Pulled up in Beecher Chase on reappearance. 2 lbs worse off with Oscar Time for beating him 2¼ lengths in 2011. Ballabriggs always prominent that day, reportedly thinking of holding him up today. Fairly handicapped and shouldn’t be dismissed entirely. But although both Amberleigh House and Red Rum won as 12 year old veterans for trainer’s father Ginger; it’s asking a lot for Ballabriggs to regain the trophy off a 2 lbs higher mark than in 2011.
    Jason Maguire

    151 Teaforthree 9 11-3 Rebecca Curtis 11-8620
    Ever since an always prominent slick round of jumping to win 4 mile National Hunt Novice Chase (good) at 2012 Cheltenham Festival, this big horse has looked an ideal Grand National candidate. Although now 11 lbs worse off with 2nd Harry The Viking for just 2 lengths, Teaforthree has improved since. Best run ½ length runner-up to Monbeg Dude in Welsh National (3m5½f heavy), first two 11 lengths clear of the field. Previously showed he’s no sluggard, not persevered with once beaten in Newbury’s Hennessey Gold Cup. 26¾ lengths 6th, getting 14 lbs from subsequent Cheltenham Gold Cup winner Bobs Worth. Trainer said Teaforthree did not take to being away from home overnight and failed to eat up when below form in Haydock Grand National Trial last time out. Will travel on the day to Aintree. Type to bounce back, progressive before Haydock and equally effective on heavy or good ground. Bears repeating Teaforthree is normally an exceptional jumper.

    150 Across The Bay 9 11-2 Donald McCain 3-11271
    Raced as if extreme distances should suit, but never appealed as a Grand National type. Gives impression needs to lead and even then often hard driven to do so, making mistakes. Probably best allowed to dominate small fields nowadays. Wind operation, blinkered and tongue tied, won substandard Grade 2 Rendlesham Hurdle (heavy) last time out in typical Across The Bay style. Below form 7th in Welsh National, retreating after mistake and headed. Only 5 lbs worse off for 28 length victory over Cappa Bleu in Carlisle (3m½f heavy) Graduation Chase in November, looks unreliable form, it being runner-up’s reappearance. Across The Bay has shown best on soft ground.
    Henry Brooke

    150 Join Together 8 11-2 Paul Nicholls 1P3-72P
    “Pulled up” last time out, but Join Together possibly has a valid excuse, soon beaten after badly hampered by a runner falling in front of him in Grimthorpe Chase. Only second season chaser but already has Aintree experience. Now on a 2 lbs higher mark than when 2nd to Hello Bud over Aintree fences in Becher Chase (3m2f heavy), jumping impressively and staying on powerfully; in front just after the line. Now 7 lbs better off with 3rd Big Fella Thanks despite beating him 1¾ lengths. Join Together may improve significantly for extreme trip. Acts on both heavy and good ground. Trainer/jockey combination won 2012 Grand National with Neptune Collonges.
    Daryl Jacob

    149 Colbert Station 9 11-1 Ted Walsh (Ire) 13-5211
    Could be AP McCoy’s ride. Easy winner in December of Leopardstown Paddy Power Chase off 132 Irish mark (now BHA 149). Irish marks are usually lower than BHA, effectively more like a 12 or 14 lb rise than 17 but still a fair rise. Gave 2nd Romanesco 7 lbs and 5½ lengths beating. Runner-up franked form with 3½ lengths 3rd in Kim Muir off 5 lbs “higher” BHA (effectively sameish) mark as Leopardstown. In an attempt to protect Grand National chances, connections of Colbert Station took advantage of a lower hurdles mark last time out. Surprisingly not run since and inexperienced for a Grand National. Only 5 chase starts, but already has a good record in big fields (28 Leopardstown). Recent improvement is on a soft surface although probably equally effective on good. Yet to race further than 3m½f but plenty of stamina in pedigree. Sire Witness Box’s progeny usually stay well, Monbeg Dude, Godsmejudge etc. Unraced dam’s sire Commanche Run won St Leger.

    148 Forpaddytheplasterer 11 11-0 Thomas Cooper (Ire) 2P1536
    Ex-top class 2 miler, on the downgrade nowadays. Below form since winning 6 runner conditions chase at Thurles in November. Slowly run race should not be taken as proof Forpaddytheplasterer stays 3 miles, let alone 4m3½f. Awful win to run ratio for one of his ability/ex-ability; that success a first since 2009 Arkle. Often makes mistakes so all-in-all not the best Grand National prospect.
    Andrew J. McNamara

    148 On His Own 9 11-0 Willie Mullins (Ire) P1/B1F-1
    Justifiably favourite for this after fell at second Becher’s Brook last year. On His Own apparently going best of all at the time and jumped well up to that point. Difficult to imagine him not at least involved in the finish with a clear round. Surprisingly left on same mark by the handicapper, rated as if finishing 4th, 2 lengths in front of Cappa Bleu. On His Own now better off by 10 lbs with 2nd Sunnyhillboy, 5 lbs with 3rd Seabass; worse off by 2 lbs with 4th Cappa Bleu and 8 lbs with 5th Ballabriggs. Protecting his handicap mark – connections only raced him once since Aintree, easily winning 2m5f Grade 2 hurdle when expected to need the race. On His Own probably has more improvement in him, winner of four of five completed starts over fences (brought down on his other uncompleted start). Effective on heavy or good ground and the one they all have to beat here.
    Ruby Walsh

    147 Joncol 10 10-13 Paul Nolan (Ire) 7-35233
    One of the biggest horses in this field. Ex-top class staying chaser, well handicapped on form of 2010 Irish Hennessey victory. Unable to produce that level on recent starts. 24¾ lengths 3rd behind Sir Des Champs last time in latest Hennessey probably sums him up these days. Can jump right-handed which to say the least is not ideal for Aintree, especially the Canal Turn. Connections at pains to avoid Cheltenham/good ground in the past and Joncol seems best on soft/heavy.

    146 Balthazar King 9 10-12 Phillip Hobbs P0F1-12
    Ignore the “F” in form figures, fell on the flat when colliding with rails, usually jumps well. Stays well too and good record in X-country chases at Cheltenham. 11 lengths 2nd to Uncle Junior (levels) there in November last time out and winner at 2012 Cheltenham Festival. Supposedly a non-runner at latest Festival due to softer ground, but has good form on at least good-soft. No show there may help Balthazar King’s Grand National chance. Not run for 141 days which is undoubtedly a positive. An exceptional record fresh judged from sportinglife.com. Won last 5 starts after a 60+ day break including on reappearance over Cheltenham’s conventional fences, giving Galaxy Rock 2 lbs and a length beating. Balthazar King now on 7 lbs higher mark. Some may look better handicapped or have more improvement in them, but the race could play to Balthazar King’s strengths.

    145 Cappa Bleu 11 10-11 Evan Williams 1334-22
    There are grounds to think Cappa Bleu is better than he’s shown. 4th in Grand National last year. Now 12 lbs better off with 2nd Sunnyhillboy for 12 lengths, 7 lbs better off with 3rd Seabass for 7 lengths and 2 lbs better off with On His Own who was going well when falling at second Bechers Brook. 6 lbs worse off with 6th Ballabriggs for beating him 5¼ lengths. That doesn’t tell the whole story; Jockey Paul Moloney in my opinion late in asking for maximum effort and made up a lot of ground/places on the run-in. Appearing to have running left in him at the line. Wouldn’t have won, but could’ve finished closer. Equally effective on good or heavy ground. Did well to finish 2½ lengths 2nd off today’s mark, giving 7lbs to Vino Griego at Ascot (3m soft). Again not given the best ride; on a horse needing a test at the trip Moloney held Cappa Bleu up for a late run off a slowish pace – not making a move until late. Saint Are and The Rainbow Hunter 6 and a further 1¾ lengths behind in 3rd and 4th, Major Malarkey and Tatenen (well beaten) all off the same marks as today. Winner franked the form when good 1½ lengths 2nd off a 7 lbs higher mark next time out at Cheltenham Festival. Cappa Bleu should be much better suited by Aintree conditions than any of those Ascot rivals.
    Paul Moloney

    145 Oscar Time 12 10-11 Martin Lynch 2/4-4U60
    Now off the same mark as when 2¼ lengths 2nd in 2011 Grand National and 2 lbs better off with winner Ballabriggs. However, missed 2012 race with a tendon strain. Despite the “4”s and “6” in form figures has beaten only 3 horses home out of 42 rivals since Aintree. Last of 17 in March on latest occasion. Now 12 years old and best is probably behind him. Owners son amateur Sam Waley-Cohen rides, unable to draw his 5 lb claim but with a good record over these fences.

    144 Always Waining 12 10-10 Peter Bowen 4091-78
    Two poor runs this season don’t look encouraging, but trainer has once again hit top form at this time of year and Always Waining loves these fences at this meeting. Winner of the last three Topham Trophies here (2m5½f). However, he’s not getting any younger and on a 6 lbs higher mark than he’s ever been successful off of. Doubtful stayer too, appears to barely get 3 miles and even disappointed even around here over 3m2f (heavy). Although may not have been ideally suited by the ground that day, over 55 lengths behind winner West End Rocker when 4th in Becher Chase.

    144 Tatenen 9 10-10 Richard Rowe 15U-676
    Tatenen became disappointing for Paul Nicholls after starting favourite for Arkle Chase. New lease of life transferred to Richard Rowe, but still inconsistent and sometimes makes mistakes. Only wins in last 23 starts in same race two years running (2m5½f Ascot good-soft) in 2011/12. Unseated Canal Turn first time around in Grand National. 21½ lengths 6th in Grand Annual to Alderwood who gave 1 lb (2m Soft) last time. Outpaced and unable to get customary prominent position, staying on late past beaten horses. Tatenen needs further than 2 miles these days but it appears not 3m+.

    143 Treacle 12 10-9 Tom Taaffe (Ire) 423F-71
    Only got as far as 10th, already beaten when fell heavily in last year’s National and off a long time afterwards. Seemingly nowhere near best last time out despite winning 5 runner conditions chase (3m2f heavy). Getting on top at final fence to win by 4 lengths from Ninetieth Minute (who’s now 6 lbs better off). Could look well handicapped if 3rd in 2012 Irish Hennessey (3m good-soft) can be believed. Treacle now 12 lbs better off with winner Quel Esprit for 7½ lengths and 11 lbs better for 2 lengths with 2nd Roberto Golback. However, nothing Treacle’s done before or since suggests he’s capable of repeating the form. Runs as if will stay this trip and best with soft in going description.
    A. E. Lynch

    142 Lost Glory 8 10-8 Jonjo O’Neil 011611
    Prolific winner, gone up 25 lbs winning 4 of last 5 starts between June and October; unraced since. Now on 7 lbs higher mark than when winning soft ground 3 mile handicap chase at Chepstow for latest success, giving 10 lbs and 1¾ lengths beating to Mostly Bob; staying on well. Also won on a firm surface. Progressive chaser but six months break suggests some sort of injury. Only first of his 7 wins have come after a long break, AP McCoy on board for all victories. Below form 2nd for Richie McLernon at furthest trip tackled (3½m good), not jumping as well as he can. However, the way Lost Glory won at 3¼m suggests will stay further.

    142 Swing Bill 12 10-8 David Pipe P-P1440
    Easy to spot, Swing Bill is almost white. Below best 10th in Grand National last year, now off 2 lbs higher mark. Good close 4th to Hello Bud in Beecher Chase (these fences) off this 142 rating. 2 lbs better off for 2 lengths with fast finishing 2nd Join Together and 9 lbs better with 3rd Big Fella Thanks (winner since) for a nose. Swing Bill wasn’t stopping at the end of 3¼m on heavy. Winner of amateurs handicap for second successive year at Cheltenham in November (3m½f good-soft). That came off a mark of 134 and this 12 year old has never been successful off as high a rating as today’s. Disappointing 16th in Kim Muir last time out, possibly not at his very best in the Spring.

    142 Saint Are 7 10-8 Tim Vaughn 01-F430
    Best performances of each full season to race have come at Aintree, so there’s a chance will show improved form. But those wins have not come over National fences. Saint Are usually belts one or two (fell in Hennessey) and will need to improve his jumping. Although rarely foot perfect, his best rounds seem to be when kept away from others; not easily done amongst 40 horses. Winner of 3m1f (good) listed handicap chase at this meeting last year (now on a 5 lb higher mark) by ½ length from Battle Group (levels), with 16 back to the 3rd. Ran well at Ascot (3m soft) 8½ lengths 3rd to Vino Greigo penultimate start, always up with pace. 6 lengths behind 2nd Cappa Bleu, 1¾ in front of 4th The Rainbow Hunter with Major Malarkey and Tatenen well beaten; due to renew rivalry with all four on same terms. Only 12th of 24, amateur ridden and held up in Kim Muir last time. Should stay further than 3m1f.
    Dougie Costello

    141 Chicago Grey 10 10-7 Gordon Elliott (Ire) B-0U631
    2011 National Hunt Chase winner (4m Good). Chicago Grey could be well-handicapped; seemed back to form last time despite trip plenty short enough. 25/1 winner of 4 runner (2½m heavy) Grade 2 on February 13th. Looked temperamental in the past but may be that’s changed with a breathing operation. However, race fell apart with favourites Rubi Light and Hidden Cyclone going off too quick, setting it up for the stayer. Neither has reached the racecourse since. 2nd Foildubh (levels, beaten 2½ lengths) ran for first time this Tuesday; franking the form by winning another 4 runner Grade. Take Chicago Grey’s last run out and need to go back some way to find best form. Encouraging though it was, debatable if he should be so short in the betting in the face of a 4 runner race, where just one other might have ran to form. Not his fault brought down at 5th last year, but two unseats and a fall in last 16 races plus numerous mistakes. Usually held up/dropped out the back, not ideal for the National unless a change of tactics or they go off at an overly strong pace. Stable comes in to the meeting in cracking form.

    141 Quiscover Fontaine 9 10-7 Willie Mullins (Ire) 10F-685
    10½ lengths 4th to Organisedconfusion in 2011 Irish Grand National, gave winner 10 lbs and 3rd Sunnyhillboy (improved significantly since) 3 lbs, 4½ lengths in front. That a first try at staying trip (3m5f Good). Fell 17th in 2012 Grand National and long way below form in three races since. Stays 3m5f when going not too testing, but effective at 2 miles and far from certain to get this trip.

    140 Rare Bob 11 10-6 Dessie Hughes (Ire) 3B8-643
    Brought down at 5th in last year’s Grand National and remote 5th of 14 in 2011 Beecher Chase (3m2f Heavy) Rare Bob lost lot of ground late on. Stays 3m5f under faster conditions, 4th in Irish National (Good) back in 2009. Races prominently but often finishes weakly. Only one win (first time blinkered) in last 21 starts. Good 3rd in Leinster National (only 3m) last time out, again finding little.

    140 The Rainbow Hunter 9 10-6 Kim Bailey 4-311P4
    Ran well enough at Ascot last time (3m soft). 7¾ lengths to make up on the 2nd Cappa Bleu and 1¾ to 3rd Saint Are all off the same marks as today. Of the three, Rainbow Hunter probably the least capable of adapting to Aintree, often makes mistakes. Three chase wins all in single figure sized fields, two falls in double figure fields. Sire a Chester Cup winner and The Rainbow Hunter runs as if will stay further than 3 miles. Pulled up penultimate start with breathing problem.

    140 Becauseicouldntsee 10 10-6 Noel Glyn (Ire) 63PP45
    2nd in 2010 National Hunt Chase (4m Good). Hasn’t got past first Canal Turn in two efforts in Grand National. Best form/jumps better/more ethusiastic able to race with at least a share of the lead. Looked as if going to take a hand in finish of Kim Muir at Cheltenham last time but reverted to type and found nothing off bridle. Stays well but difficult to win with. Possibly a Cheltenham specialist.

    140 Harry The Viking 8 10-6 Paul Nicholls 12P-P90
    Looked ideal Grand National candidate in March last year. 2nd to Teaforthree (much improved since) in 2012 National Hunt Chase (4m Good). Harry The Viking could be reasonably handicapped if able to reproduce that level. Pulled up in Scottish National soon afterwards and largely disappointing since. However, some signs of return to form last time out, 10th of 24 in Kim Muir at Cheltenham. In contention for a long way and possibly needed first run for 3½ months.
    Ryan Mahon

    139 Mr Moonshine 9 10-5 Sue Smith 360264
    Ran well off a 1 lb higher mark than today in Rowland Meyrick at Wetherby in December. 11 lengths 2nd receiving 2 lbs (+3 lbs jockeys claim) from winner Cape Tribulation (winner of Argento Chase since). Mr Moonshine disappointed in two subsequent outings. Won 3¼ mile hurdle earlier in career as if suited by a test of stamina. Runs most of his best races at or near the front.
    Peter Buchanan

    138 Mumbles Head 12 10-4 Peter Bowen 1133FP
    Good 3¾ lengths 3rd to Marufo in veterans chase (conventional fences) at Aintree in October, giving 16 lbs to winner. Mumbles Head fell at first fence in Beecher Chase (National fences) there next time. Never travelling only subsequent start in December but stable now in better form. Suited by around 3 miles, not given the impression needs any further. Veteran but was still improving at 11.
    Jamie Moore

    138 Pearlysteps 10 10-4 Henry Daley F2PP-44
    Just 7th in Chicago Grey’s 2011 National Hunt Chase (4m Good) only time Pearlysteps has raced beyond 3m2½f. Jumping is at its best when able to race prominently and it can fall to pieces entirely if in amongst horses. Below form last four starts, including latest occasion, 4th to Ballyoliver at Ludlow (trainer’s local track) where stable companion was a well backed favourite (2nd).

    137 Ninetieth Minute 10 10-3 Tom Taaffe (Ire) 3F6042
    Not so good over fences as he was over hurdles, Ninetieth Minute won 2009 Coral Cup Hurdle at Cheltenham. Only one win over fences in uncompetitive 6 runner novice by 18 lengths February 2012. 2nd to Treacle last time out (3m2f Heavy). Looking the winner but not for the first time found little. Now 6 lbs better off for 4 lengths, but less likely to be suited by the trip than stable-mate. Fell mid-race in last years Irish National, only race over further than 3¼m (3m5f Good-soft).
    Niall Madden

    137 Auroras Encore 11 10-3 Sue Smith OP45F5
    Three good runs culminated in excellent head 2nd giving 9 lbs to winner Merigo in Scottish National (4m½f Good) in April last year. Auroras Encore raced up with the pace and looked the winner jumping the last, just caught on line. Now off 6 lbs lower mark. Shown very little in 6 starts this season, last one in March. However, vast majority of Auroras Encore’s best lifetime efforts have come in the Spring, including winning over hurdles at this meeting in 2008. Can hit one, but his chance could be under-estimated, more so if stable show signs of a return to form before Saturday.

    136 Tarquinius 10 10-2 Gordon Elliott (Ire) P11420
    Below form 14th of 17 when joint favourite for Leinster National (3m Soft) latest start in March after 7 weeks off (a long break for him). Type to bounce back. Improved form since moving to Gordon Elliot, winning three races between 2¾m and 3m1f in December/January. Also good 2nd penultimate start in Thyestes Chase (3m1f Heavy) off an Irish handicap mark of 123. Getting 1 lb from enigmatic winner Jadanli; beaten a head staying on well with 13 lengths back to the 3rd. Now on a BHA handicap mark of 136 which looks excessive. However, unexposed as staying chaser for current yard. Best form for previous one Charlie Mann at extreme trips (3m6f) so could yet improve further, particularly as stable are in top form. Genuine and finds plenty under pressure. Going could be a concern, only raced on soft surface but an outsider to consider at three figure prices.

    134 Any Currency 10 10-0 Martin Keighley 614U49
    Rare win on first start for 5 months in October (3m3½f Good). Now off 7 lbs higher mark. Unseated at Canal Turn in Beecher Chase (3¼m Heavy) over these fences. 9 lengths 4th giving 19 lbs to winner Chac Du Cadran (3¾m Soft) off this 134 mark penultimate start. Under pressure a long way out for AP McCoy. Disappointing 9th in X-Country Chase last time. Sometimes throws the towel in. Out and out stayer these days, suited by a strongly run race.
    Ian Popham

    134 (133) Poker De Sivola 10 10-0 (9-13) Ferdy Murphy 76U1/-57
    Now off 2 lbs lower mark than when winning 2011 Whitbread Gold Cup (3m5½f Good-firm). Nowhere near that form in just two races on possibly unsuitable ground since. Although a bit of encouragement on latest occasion in December, needing the race when last of 7 in Becher Chase over these fences (3¼m Heavy). Also won 2010 National Hunt Chase (4m Good), now 6 lbs better off with runner-up Becauseicouldntsee who was 2¼ lengths back. Best on a sound surface. Well handicapped if back to his best, but that’s a very big IF.

    134 (133) Major Malarkey 10 10-0 (9-13) Nigel Twiston-Davis 2P-265P
    Good neck 2nd off 1 lb lower mark to Lively Baron in 5 runner uncompetitive handicap on reappearance in December. Major Malarkey has been a long way below form in three races since. Only jumped two fences last time out (March) reportedly lost his action and pulled up. Best effort last season, when 2nd to Master Overseer in Midlands National (4m1½f Good-soft) off a 6 lbs lower mark than today. Inconsistent staying chaser with his own ideas about the game.

    134 (132) Soll 8 10-0 (9-12) Jo Hughes 21B-891

    134 (132) Backstage 11 10-0 (9-12) Gordon Elliott (Ire) 5700/P-P

    134 (131) Viking Blond 8 10-0 (9-11) Nigel Twiston-Davis 023P25

    134 (130) Cloudy Lane 13 10-0 (9-10) Donald McCain 2161-37

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