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  • #392371
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    I find it completely puzzling that I seem to be the only one giving write-ups on Synchronised.

    We’ve all been talking about an unusually poor renewal for months, and a few people have talked up outsiders for an upset. I’ve dug high and low and it’s tough to find anyone in the thread who will even give Synchronised a shout.

    This is a horse that can win the Welsh National off top weight, a horse that won the Lexus at the back end of last year, a horse that jumps as well as anyone around right now, a horse that’s vastly improving, a horse that has now proved he can act on any ground, a horse that has proved he’s got the speed to win over 3 miles and a horse that can stay forever.

    He missed the Irish Hennessy, I don’t think that was by accident. I think JP and Jonjo realise they have a live contender on their hands.

    I thought he was a knocking EW bet for the GC (14s EW voucher held), however the jungle drums have not exactly been beating recently and there were bad vibes for him missing Leop, hence why no-one is rating him much on here.

    #392373
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    I find it completely puzzling that I seem to be the only one giving write-ups on Synchronised.

    We’ve all been talking about an unusually poor renewal for months, and a few people have talked up outsiders for an upset. I’ve dug high and low and it’s tough to find anyone in the thread who will even give Synchronised a shout.

    This is a horse that can win the Welsh National off top weight, a horse that won the Lexus at the back end of last year, a horse that jumps as well as anyone around right now, a horse that’s vastly improving, a horse that has now proved he can act on any ground, a horse that has proved he’s got the speed to win over 3 miles and a horse that can stay forever.

    He missed the Irish Hennessy, I don’t think that was by accident. I think JP and Jonjo realise they have a live contender on their hands.

    I thought he was a knocking EW bet for the GC (14s EW voucher held), however the jungle drums have not exactly been beating recently and there were bad vibes for him missing Leop, hence why no-one is rating him much on here.

    If you believe those vibes you’re delirious. Irish Hennessy horses don’t win Gold Cups, and JP knows that. 2 hard races one after the other are only won won by superstars(not that this years’ Hennessy would have taken much winning!).

    #392375
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    I find it completely puzzling that I seem to be the only one giving write-ups on Synchronised.

    We’ve all been talking about an unusually poor renewal for months, and a few people have talked up outsiders for an upset. I’ve dug high and low and it’s tough to find anyone in the thread who will even give Synchronised a shout.

    This is a horse that can win the Welsh National off top weight, a horse that won the Lexus at the back end of last year, a horse that jumps as well as anyone around right now, a horse that’s vastly improving, a horse that has now proved he can act on any ground, a horse that has proved he’s got the speed to win over 3 miles and a horse that can stay forever.

    He missed the Irish Hennessy, I don’t think that was by accident. I think JP and Jonjo realise they have a live contender on their hands.

    I thought he was a knocking EW bet for the GC (14s EW voucher held), however the jungle drums have not exactly been beating recently and there were bad vibes for him missing Leop, hence why no-one is rating him much on here.

    If you believe those vibes you’re delirious. Irish Hennessy horses don’t win Gold Cups, and JP knows that. 2 hard races one after the other are only won won by superstars(not that this years’ Hennessy would have taken much winning!).

    :) not delirious yet, hope your right but only for a big placed run, really want Kauto to win and from a punting POV Long Run if Kauto hasnt got the legs,

    #392389
    Avatar photoThe Young Fella
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    Synchronised makes me think of Halcon Genelardais before he went sour. He was tough enough to win four milers carrying top weight, yet still had class enough to be quite effective at three miles. His fourth in the 2008 Gold Cup was a storming effort when you look at the horses he split. Tanya Stevenson even fancied him to win it! :shock:

    I’m digressing, but my point is that a very similar horse ran to just shy of 170 in his best Gold Cup effort. Synchronised ran about 170 at Christmas, too. Halcon ran brilliantly but was beaten out of sight. Synchronised would have to be more than a stone better than Halcon to get close to the old guard if you agree that a low-mid 180s run will be enough to win this year’s race. There isn’t much evidence that there is more than a few pounds between their peak capabilities.

    I think Synchronised is a solid each-way option, though.

    #392390
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    Hey, Tarn’s has some good shouts :D

    #392391
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    Haha I know, I’m not knocking her. I loved HG but he was a very

    imaginative

    selection v Denman and Kauto.

    On the nose as well :!:

    #392438
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    Long Run will win the Gold Cup.

    More confident after what was an ideal prep. on Friday, jumped as well as he has ever done, the extra two furlongs will suit, I can’t believe he’s drifted in the market, 5/2 looks cracking value to me.

    #392591
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    I’m with you on this one Pants, I bet him well before last years GC and I’ve done so again. I think he will win the GC this year, and probably next year too.

    I know there are plenty here who will be queuing up to laugh there socks off at me, but I can’t for the life of me understand why people are so against this horse. Maybe once he has won the GC again, they might just accept that he is a very good race horse.

    My only concern, and I’ve mentioned it many times is SWC. Decent jockey as he is, I would prefer a top class professional jockey. I think the horse has won despite him, rather that for him. However I think Long Run will be good enough, even with SWC on him. Time will tell.

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    I just found out that Kauto Star covered the distance from the last before the home turn to the winning line 2 seconds faster against Long Run than he did in his amazing 2009 win………….so much for my theory that he’s lost some of his speed :oops:

    #392931
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    I just found out that Kauto Star covered the distance from the last before the home turn to the winning line 2 seconds faster against Long Run than he did in his amazing 2009 win………….so much for my theory that he’s lost some of his speed :oops:

    That doesn’t say anything about Kauto Star’s speed at all.

    This depends on the pace of the race and how hard-pressed the leader is by challengers. Long Run was miles clear of Riverside Theatre and eased down in 2010. This year, Kauto Star was all-out and in top gear to fend off Long Run. I don’t see how you can compare.

    #393029
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    I just found out that Kauto Star covered the distance from the last before the home turn to the winning line 2 seconds faster against Long Run than he did in his amazing 2009 win………….so much for my theory that he’s lost some of his speed :oops:

    That doesn’t say anything about Kauto Star’s speed at all.

    This depends on the pace of the race and how hard-pressed the leader is by challengers. Long Run was miles clear of Riverside Theatre and eased down in 2010. This year, Kauto Star was all-out and in top gear to fend off Long Run. I don’t see how you can compare.

    Depends on whether he’s talking about the 2011 King George or the 2011 Gold Cup!

    Twitter=@PGHenn

    So don't run, just like the others always do

    #393050
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    The biggest help to Kauto’s chances this year is the fact that Denman isn’t running. The Tank would put his jumping under pressure and test his stamina which I’m not sure Long Run is capable of doing.

    #393053
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    Must admit i was convinced Long Run would be a certainty at the start of the season but he does not look the same horse. He jumped better at Newbury but seems to have lost some zip. Thought Haydock would bring him on but Kauto stuffed him at Kempton and if the ground is good at Cheltenham I think Long Run is going to have to improve significantly on what we have seen recently.

    #393099
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    On this seasons form i don’t see why Kauto shouldn’t be around the same odds as Long Run. Someone said earlier in the thread he isn’t the same horse around Cheltenham, but you could argue he didn’t face Denman on the other tracks, and he wasn’t himself last season. He has been jumping better since losing the nose band, and as a result he’s got to have a very good chance despite what people are saying. I have looked elsewhere for a better price, but on this seasons form Kauto has been the best chaser over the distance. You could point to his age, but he was good enough to win another King George a few months ago. He just keeps out classing them season after season. Other trainers whos horses he has beat time again will say they have a shout, and some of them will have their breathing ops, but time and time again he’s too strong at the business end. Long Run is going to have to retain his ability of constantly finding more even when he’s asked questions from a good bit from the finish line.

    #393102
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    Slightly off topic but if anyone fancies a trip down memory lane, someone has finally uploaded the 2009 Gold Cup- the Channel 4 version as well! Hurry before RUK remove it.

    http://www.youtube.com/results?search_t … y_uploaded

    #393103
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    Slightly off topic but if anyone fancies a trip down memory lane, someone has finally uploaded the 2009 Gold Cup- the Channel 4 version as well! Hurry before RUK remove it.

    http://www.youtube.com/results?search_t … y_uploaded

    Grabbed!

    Thanks for the heads-up, Kautoflyer. Some great Harchibald/Rooster Booster memories on this channel too.

    #393106
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    I just found out that Kauto Star covered the distance from the last before the home turn to the winning line 2 seconds faster against Long Run than he did in his amazing 2009 win………….so much for my theory that he’s lost some of his speed :oops:

    That doesn’t say anything about Kauto Star’s speed at all.

    This depends on the pace of the race and how hard-pressed the leader is by challengers. Long Run was miles clear of Riverside Theatre and eased down in 2010. This year, Kauto Star was all-out and in top gear to fend off Long Run. I don’t see how you can compare.

    What on earth has Long Run’s 2010 race got to do with anything?

    Your view is simplistic, I think am aware of the different ways the two KAUTO STAR KG’s were run but there are other factors I took into consideration before posting. Like the different times in other races run on the same track on the same day and the going.

    I’n not trying to prove anyone wrong but myself and it seems to me I was wrong and Kauto has lost very little of his speed

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