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When one thinks of Sea the Stars taking on allcomers in all the big races from a mile to the Arc all one can say is Frankel is a dodger and Camelot still has much to prove.
I cannot understand this attitude at all. If Frankel was a "dodger" he’d be at stud. Give connections credit for a 4yo campaign which is adding a huge amount to this seasons flat racing.
No need to rush off to stud; Sir Henry needs the glory after ten years out of touch.The owners don’t need money.They race all their horses as they(the horses) get older.BY dodger I mean dodging races beyond a mile (for a Galileo)is exactly what it is.I think Henry may have lost touch with the progress racing has made since he disappeared into the wilderness.
The owners don’t need money.They race all their horses as they(the horses) get older.
No they don’t.
"this perfect mix of poetry and destruction, this glory of rhythm, power and majesty: the undisputed champion of the world!!!"
When one thinks of Sea the Stars taking on allcomers in all the big races from a mile to the Arc all one can say is Frankel is a dodger and Camelot still has much to prove.
Here we go again.
Sea The Stars relaxed well, so there was every reason to "take on allcomers" over middle-distances. Sea The Stars was also not outstanding at a mile, so again every reason to go up in trip; to a distance he was likely to excel.
Frankel HAS taken on allcomers at a mile, a distance he’s always likely to excel.
It is you who’s the "dodge"pot Andyod.
Value Is EverythingAs Richard Hughes has never looked like winning either of these races, perhaps it was a statement of self-interest. If you put the Derby and Oaks back, then Royal Ascot has to be put back which rather messes up everything as that always follows the Queen’s Official birthday.
A definite non-starter.As Richard Hughes has never looked like winning either of these races, perhaps it was a statement of self-interest. If you put the Derby and Oaks back, then Royal Ascot has to be put back which rather messes up everything as that always follows the Queen’s Official birthday.
A definite non-starter.Ah. I might have known there was a REALLY important reason it couldnt happen.
"this perfect mix of poetry and destruction, this glory of rhythm, power and majesty: the undisputed champion of the world!!!"
It was quite visually impressive, I suppose.
Camelot still took the best part of eleven furlongs to catch his pace setting stablemate, Astrology, who was running on empty near the finish.
I touched on this in my previous post, but what would have happened if Astrology had sat behind a steady pace (Buick would have been more than happen to let Thought Worthy bowl along) and conserved the extra that would have allowed him to maintain an effort right to the line?
Such a shame that they’re form the same stable – Astrology will never be put in a position to compete with Camelot. It reminds me of the Arc last year when the unfashionable Treausure Beach, who came to within a whisker of competing an English / Irish Derby double, was relegated to pacemaking duties for St Nicholas Abbey.
Normally, such a talented colt would be a leading candidate for the Arc, but he was sacrificed for the greater good – St Nic and the potential £££.
Astrology was arguably the second best colt in the race yesterday, so Camelot beat a pacemaker who was inevitably in the race to improve Camelot’s chances of success.
Harder tasks await…
I must admit Camelot surprised me I grossly underrated him.
It’s all well and fine saying it was a poor Derby but does it matter? The horse has won very easily in the end so even if those behind prove to be ordinary that doesn’t make Camelot ordinary.
I trust he will go for the St Leger then the Arc all being well. Very tempted to back him for the former along with Frankel and Black Caviar at over 2/1 if he is going to Donny.
As far as Frankel dodging him or him dodging Frankel it’s not really worth debating unless both trainers say both are going to run in the same race.
If they did meet over 10 furlongs the chances of Camelot beating Frankel would have to be very slim and there goes his unbeaten record. I really can’t see AOB getting involved.
When he sent the Ballydolye army after Sea the Stars he had nothing to lose but this is a possible triple Crown winner with everything to lose.
He took a little bit of time to pick up at Epsom and he couldn’t afford to do that against Frankel so I doubt if he could beat him even if Aiden did try, but he won’t IMO
Jeez he won the Guineas didn’t he.So he was a pretty good miler without breaking a sweat.He was not bred to go a mile and1/2 according to Oxx.He went for it anyway.Frankel is bred to go a mile and 1/2 but Henry don’t want to find out if he can blow other horses away at that distance so he dodges it.Hell, he should have learned to settle by now after three years of racing unless Henry is losing the skills that made him a great trainer.We know Frankel is a hell of a miler but that is it.Probably as good as El Gran Signor or Tudor Minstrel,if not better.After the One Thousand Guineas success of Homecoming Queen this year we must not read too much into such type of results.
Since Nijinsky in 1970 only three horses have completed the 2,000 Guineas/Derby double – Nashwan, See the Stars & now Camelot.
It takes a very high class horse with speed & stamina to achieve the double. Nashwan & See the Stars were fantastic racehorses who both successfully dropped back to 1m 2f after their Derby victories.
I have no doubt Camelot is capable of doing the same which is why a match up with Frankel over that trip is something all flat racing fans should want to see.
That would certainly draw the crowds.John Magnier will do whatever is best for Coolmore.At heart he is the old school.He knows how much glory Nijinsky brought to racing so he would like to own a triple crown horse and go down in history with it.That will be his first choice. He also loves a challenge so he will take on Frankel with another Coolmore bred horse if possible.I believe that he will put away Camelot until time to prepare for the Leger.How many 1 1/4 there are at that time I don’t know.Is there one in the Champion series?In the old days Nijinsky took on all comers at 2 and 3 at all distances.They don’t do that anymore.Aidan can keep them going all year if needed(see Dylan Thomas).
I don’t watch much flat racing these days but Camelot’s RP victory left me thinking he could be special. His Guineas win removed any doubt – to get home from where he was and finish with plenty in the tank should have impressed even the naysayers.
On Saturday I think he hated the track and was never striding out, even in the early and mid stages. The camber caused him considerable problems as he hung and changed legs.
I suspect his gear change will prove much slicker back on a conventional track and he could easily rank with the best I’ve seen.
I watched Nijinsky win the Triple Crown at the beginning of my ‘racing life’ and I’d love to see another one in the ‘autumn’ of that life (OK, early winter!).
If Camelot turns up at Doncaster I’ll be there to see him and to reflect on 42 years of following this fine sport.
As I posted on twitter, Odd though how two little letters change a Camel into a Derby winner: it’s as well they tacked them on the right way round too!
I don’t watch much flat racing these days but Camelot’s RP victory left me thinking he could be special. His Guineas win removed any doubt – to get home from where he was and finish with plenty in the tank should have impressed even the naysayers.
On Saturday I think he hated the track and was never striding out, even in the early and mid stages. The camber caused him considerable problems as he hung and changed legs.
I suspect his gear change will prove much slicker back on a conventional track and he could easily rank with the best I’ve seen.
I watched Nijinsky win the Triple Crown at the beginning of my ‘racing life’ and I’d love to see another one in the ‘autumn’ of that life (OK, early winter!).
If Camelot turns up at Doncaster I’ll be there to see him and to reflect on 42 years of following this fine sport.
As I posted on twitter, Odd though how two little letters change a Camel into a Derby winner: it’s as well they tacked them on the right way round too!
Camel was a significant sire in the 19th century, his son Touchstone being one of the most important bloodlines.
Not to detract from Camelot too much, but we need to remember that all the horses he’s beat since debut have won 4 races between them since facing him.
Looks as though he’ll need to face his elders to see how good he actually is.
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