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The PP deal only applies to win only bets.
And the win part of EW bets
Here are the conditions from their site.
Max refund: e100/£100 per customer.
Applies to bets placed on the Arkle Chase from 8am 28th February.
Applies to win
(and win part of each way)
single bets only placed before the start of the race.
The customer’s selection must run for the refund to apply.
Does not apply to extra markets.
Does not apply to Tote bets.
My mistake Ken. I got the PP offer mixed up with Boyles. They refund if your horse finishes second.
So basically they know, and aren’t prepared to offer a full money back deal on the race.
The best jumpers are the ones who fall intermittently. Kauto Star, Denman, Cooldine, Master Minded, Big Zeb, Moscow Flyer. Actually makes you appreciate Sizing Europe more given he’s never once fallen over fences.
Grey Abbey fell a few times
Fondmort – brilliant jumper who only ever fell twice when he was flat out.No Zarkava the best jumpers dont fall at all and that includes
Somersby
and
Medermit
but hey ‘Somersby’ is as smooth as Silk and Medermit is rough as A*seholes but they get over!
Calgary Bay
Is the best jumper of a fence this year,he’s down as falling in the National but that was actually an over-jump which caused him to slip!
Master Minded
could jump!
So Somersby and Medermit are better jumpers than Denman and Kauto Star? If you genuinely believe that then you don’t understand jump racing.
In fact the biggest reason why Kauto Star and Denman were so much better than the rest is because their jumping is so much superior to their contemporaries.
No Zarkava the best jumpers dont fall at all and that includes
Somersby
and
Medermit
but hey ‘Somersby’ is as smooth as Silk and Medermit is rough as A*seholes but they get over!
Calgary Bay
Is the best jumper of a fence this year,he’s down as falling in the National but that was actually an over-jump which caused him to slip!
Master Minded
could jump!
Jesus, Gord. I didn’t expect that comment to come from you. Insane comment to make. As El Gran Senor correctly points out, the best jumpers take a risk and just graze over the fence, and the most part, get it right.
Sizing Europe actually jumped properly for the first time ever in the Tied Cottage. I thought he jumped pretty awfully for most of the Queen Mum, getting in way too close for most of the way, hence I didn’t include him on my list.
Of the main contenders, I would have most concerns about Al Ferof’s jumping. He has been fine over fences so far but was generally an awful jumper of hurdles, prone to seemingly closing his eyes and hoping to make the other side sometimes. I was worried when I heard he would be going chasing but he has allayed my fears so far. Still worried about him diving at one in The Arkle, though.
Peddler’s Cross is just about the worst hurdlers of hurdles I’ve ever seen. Utterly diabolical at his hurdles. That’s why I’m so shocked he’s been so fluent over his fences. You’ll struggle to find horses that hurdle well – Binocular, Hurricane Fly & Big Buck’s do. I remember seeing Rite of Passage’s prep for the Neptune. Another diabolical hurdler. Horrible.
Al Ferof’s jumping for his first 2 runs over fences were about as good as I’ve ever seen from a novice. Didn’t make a single mistake.
Good points, Zarkava. Sometimes the horse’s hurdling technique just doesn’t work as an indicator of their chasing ability.
People always say Denman had no respect for his hurdles and belted plenty when Nicanor beat him in the RSA Hurdle. He jumped fences a lot better, if not perfectly. I am generally cautious about any novice chaser who was on the floor or made many mistakes as a hurdler and this is why it is taking me longer to warm to Al Ferof than the others. Full credit to Al Ferof for giving his fences more respect, though.
I think I will just ignore the jumping records on the day, though. History has seen horses make a fool out of me when I put too much emphasis upon their fencing. Thisthatandtother jumped faultlessly in his novice season and crashed out in The Arkle. Tatenen did the same. Conversely, nobody liked Tidal Bay’s bungling jumping style and he won the thing! Captain Chris lost half a furlong jumping right at every fence and also won it.
No Zarkava the best jumpers dont fall at all
That’s not true at all. Proven by the horses we’ve listed.
KF, surprised that is your take on jumpers!
Watch Big Zeb in the Tied Cottage last year, he put in as good a round as any I’ve ever seen. Granted Big Zeb looks safe as houses these days, but there was a time where he threw in a howler.
Then you have horses like Herecomesthetruth, who jumps so exuberantly that he gets the ‘ooohs’ and ‘aaahs’ from the public but in reality he’s wasting so much time in the air that Big Zeb is gone by the time he lands.
Somersby and Medermit are ‘safe’ jumpers, not necessarily ‘good’ ones. For example, let’s take the case of The Midnight Club in the Grand National last year. He got round safe and sound, but he took the best part of a tree with him in the process. Slowing down rapidly at every fence and fiddling his way over them. Perhaps it’s not fair to take a horses run in the Grand National as an example but it was handy for the purposes of exaggeration!
Good jumpers are those that take lengths out of their opponents at a fence. Master Minded, Denman, Kauto Star & Sprinter Sacre all do this. Horses that slow up to fences, lose momentum and pop over are not good jumpers. The ones that can continue going at full speed glide over accelerate out of a fence have a huge advantage. The thing is with Sprinter Sacre though even though one day like any horse he could make a mistake, so far if he meets one wrong he just fiddles over it without touching a twig. I don’t know how anyone with any racing knowledge could say he looks like he’s going to fall. He is going to jump this Arkle field into the ground. It’s looking like a small field as well if Kid Cassidy goes Grand Annual & Bog Warrior 1.01 not to run he may just have 5 or 6 rivals. That would be another big advantage imo.
I’m afraid I will never put Kauto star down as a good jumper,there were times he should have fallen and yet he got away with mistakes others wouldn’t have,thats testimony to the horses natural ability to correct himself in such situations.It helps when you have a jockey like Ruby Walsh on top too.Dont kid yourselves Denman was a natural either,he had the brute strength to uproot one and get away with it!
I think my simple addition to the jumpers conversation is that 2milers especially need to be so sharp over their fences it is like they hurdle it, this means that occasionally they don’t get round but when they do they are devastaiting.
Moscow Flyer 11ff11f111f etc (that is made up form but it was like that)
Somersby is a safe jumper in that he always gets round but is not quick over them. he got away with a couple of mistakes and still won the vc last time yet usually those slow jump and the mistakes when he tries taken them too quickly in the arkle and champion chase last yar cost him. He should go up in distance because although he is fast he needs to be in a race distance where speed over the obstacles can be countered by the speed in the race overall. It is also why he has better form in slower ran small field affairs, bigger fields tend to catch him out as they go faster.
Takes me to long run who clearly is safe enough to get round always but if put under pressure can make a real hash of his jumping(hope not this year). He would be an absolute nightmare in the 2mile contests
Sprinter looks the part for the arkle because he seems to glide over fences, wastes little time slowing down and then re accelerating to top speed.
Kauto is a fantastic jumper who makes the odd hash. Long Run is a safe jumper who makes the odd fantastic leap and the odd hash. Both stars so i guess the longer distances are more forgiving either way.
Front runners tend to be fantastic jumpers from my observation.
Horse like Hey Big Spender who i love are a total nightmare. They are solid quick jumpers who fall alot. He has shown great form over easier jumping courses this year but i expect him to hit the deck once at the festival again. Warwick fences are something different to a stiff fence at prestbury park.
Moscow Flyer 11ff11f111f etc (that is made up form but it was like that)
6343/1118/13121F21/F111F11/1U111/U111U1/111111/2245/
I’m afraid I will never put Kauto star down as a good jumper,there were times he should have fallen and yet he got away with mistakes others wouldn’t have,thats testimony to the horses natural ability to correct himself in such situations.It helps when you have a jockey like Ruby Walsh on top too.Dont kid yourselves Denman was a natural either,he had the brute strength to uproot one and get away with it!
No I’m afraid when it comes to jumping fences there’s only one horse I can think of who really was athletic, brave and beautiful and thats the late great
Best Mate
! 79 times he jumped the Cheltenham fences and 79 times he cleared them picking up 3 Gold Cups en-route!
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