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  • #356438
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    Fahey has a 90 euro level stakes profit.

    Unbelievable, no wonder Hanagan is destroying his rivals

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    There has been a slight loss of form this week for Hanagan. His strike rate has slipped back to 19% – the same as Moore and Hughes. However, he is still riding more frequently than the others so his lead should increase. He is outscoring them in the ratio 3:2 so he should get an unassailable lead at around 150 with the others on about 100 some time around late September.

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    I was feeling quite pleased this week to get a bit more Hanagan at above evens on the exchange. However, I learn today from his twitter feed that he was ill last week. So I guess the odds reflected that inside info. Just shows that you have to be wary.

    Da Sousa is doing well and must have a chance if Hanagan slips up. Ryan Moore still strikes me as very poor value relative to Hughes and now da Sousa.

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    Yes – getting a nice run for my money on SDS. 40’s now into 16’s. Shame there was no ew on offer though.

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    SDS is now second equal with Ryan Moore on 43. Hanagan’s lead has been reduced to 14.

    The odds still look a bit wrong to me, with Moore too short and SDS and Hughes (39) too long.

    I don’t sense that any of the contenders is going flat out for the title at this stage. They seem to be taking a few days off here and there. I am not sure if this reflects a lack of motivation or a rational attempt to conserve energy with several months left to go.

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    Hanagan 59, Moore 50. Moore’s quintuple at York has seen his odds slashed to around 6/4. By itself I would say this is an overreaction. However, Moore does seem to be doing a lot better than he was at the start of the season partly because he is riding more frequently. Furthermore, he will almost certainly do better than Hanagan at Ascot.

    After Ascot it may be a different picture. Moore won’t get a lot more O’Brien short-priced horses and Hanagan will be plugging away in small field handicaps up north.

    I think Hughes will probably drop out of serious contention unless something nasty happens to the prime contenders. SDS is probably the best of the outsiders.

    So it looks like the market has got it more right than me so far. I was too negative on Moore based on his early form. I think he has maybe a 40% chance now, with Hanagan a bit over 50%.

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    A fairly disastrous week for Hanagan, with no Ascot winners, a neck spasm and a missed opportunity to ride a couple of Fahey winners at Ayr. In addition there are possibly false rumours on twitter about a break-up with Fahey.

    The only crumb of comfort is that Fahey’s losing streak was broken today so maybe the yard’s lean spell is over.

    Moore and Hughes have both closed in on Hanagan. As usual Hughes looks better value.

    This thread is turning into a bit of a soliloquy. It gets a few readers so I will probably carry on with it but it would be nice to have a bit of discussion with other contributors.

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    I’m with you all the way Kasp! Moore and Hughes closing the gap but was always going to be the case this week with all the jocks being at R Ascot.

    Moore’s problem is that Sir M is having a really quiet season. Will need to pick up if he is to win. Hannon is in full cry now and so Hughes won’t be far away and Hanagan/Fahey will surely start picking up again soon.

    I still like my 40’s on SDS though. As you saw this week he is now the number 1 to Mark Johnston so is going to get lots of good rides at the Northern track. His big problem is the amount of suspensions he picks up!

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    Stoute has hardly had any runners as of yet, and won’t get into the swing of things until next month. Also take into account, every major meeting and race, Moore will get on a favourite for Ballydoyle, I can’t see him losing it.

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    Thanks JJM for contributing to the discussion. I think it’s fair to say that Moore and Hughes will do better later in the season, as they usually do. However, Hanagan has a higher workrate. He is likely to have about 700 more rides this season compared with about 550 for Moore and maybe 600 for Hughes if he decides to compete.

    It’s clear that Moore is not going for the championship at full throttle. He skipped some booked evening rides at Kempton last week and has taken a few days off this week. This might not prevent him from winning overall, but it is a sign, I think, that he has bigger fish to fry. As you say, he has the advantage of riding a few O’Brien favourites but I doubt if that will amount to much more than about ten additional winners.

    Hanagan has been through a very bad patch which has clearly damaged his chances. But if he can keep his strike rate above 15% he can still win. Two winners today suggest he hasn’t entirely lost momentum.

    Hughes was falling behind at one stage but he is back in contention and I think has a fair chance of catching the other two. He should gain on Hanagan at the back end of the season as he did last year.

    Hanagan 61, Moore 56, Hughes 50.

    My odds now: Hanagan 6/4, Moore 6/4, Hughes 5/1.

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    The Hughes ban probably knocks him back by about 5 winners. It could be the difference between winning and losing. Also I forgot about De Sousa in my last post so maybe odds should be: Hanagan 6/4, Moore 6/4, Hughes 7/1, de Sousa 12/1 approx.

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    Hughes has drifted very badly today – out to 20/1 on Betfair -despite two winners and the appearance of remaining in contention. I am not sure why although I notice a twitter comment that he has given up. Maybe he has written something in his newspaper column.

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    Yes, according to his newspaper article, Hughes does appear to have given up because of the threat of a totting up ban. It was something I feared might happen but I hadn’t realised what a pickle he is already in at the moment. I don’t think it’s impossible for him to win but very difficult if he avoids bread and butter rides in order not to get suspended.

    This should work to Moore’s advantage as they share the same agent and Moore regularly rides for Hannon.

    De Sousa still going well and now third fav, with the RP going to write him up next week as a possible champ.

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    SDS is not going to be far away. Getting better and better mounts by the week as reputation increases.

    "this perfect mix of poetry and destruction, this glory of rhythm, power and majesty: the undisputed champion of the world!!!"

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    SDS looks rather polished, he passed 100 winners last year and will go close. Hanagan and Fahey seem to have run into some poor form. Still confident in Ryan!

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    The Guardian confirms Moore’s lack of motivation:

    Moore, now 27, has been odds-on to regain the title since he was top rider at Royal Ascot a fortnight ago, but he then took his wife, Michelle, and their two children on a five-day holiday to Majorca, hardly the action of a man intent on cutting back the lead established by the reigning champ, Paul Hanagan. "I wouldn’t have done three years ago," he says, "but, since Toby’s been born, I haven’t done the workload that I would have done."

    On Tuesday, his father, Gary, a trainer, wanted him to ride at Brighton. "Bad prize money, bad racing, I just decided not to go. I thought, ‘stay at home with the kids’." Things have clearly moved on since 2005, when one trainer said Moore had to be put on suicide watch if he went three days without riding a winner.

    "I’m lucky I can decide not to, right now, but it’s disappointing in some respects. I’d rather be wanting to go racing to ride some decent horses but it just doesn’t seem to be happening."

    Moore is widely seen as the jockey who would be champion in a normal season. he has fallen short twice in the past five years, both times having missed chunks of time through injury. If he gets a clear run this time, most observers will be surprised if the title goes elsewhere.

    It is not a prospect that concerns him, however. Of Hanagan, now four wins clear before last night’s card at Beverley , he says: "Best of luck to him. He works very hard. There’s a lot of lads that seem to want to give it a crack and they should do. They should be ambitious, want to do their own things. It just doesn’t suit me at the moment, not with the way things are. I’ve got family and good horses to ride and they’d be the main two options at the minute."

    Moore could still win almost by default if Hanagan’s strike rate stays below par and SDS doesn’t get enough rides. However, I would want better than evens before backing him.

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    I do find the market a bit strange at the moment. Hughes and to a lesser extent Moore are non-triers. De Sousa has a chance but has said he is more likely to go for it in a couple of years’ time. Fallon is some way behind and not likely to be every trainer’s first choice. So it has to be Hanagan – with a lead of 7 over Moore.

    Surely Hanagan should be odds-on, especially now the Hanagan/Fahey partnership has returned to form.

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