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March 10, 2010 at 22:12 #281576
The Auckland Gold Cup was similar to the Adelaide Gold Cup, as it was more a hangover from last year’s Melbourne Cup, rather than a trial for this year’s.
Was won by a older horse Zavite, who was topweight and favourite, and had run down the field in last year’s MC, just like Capecover in the Auckland Gold Cup.
I had tried to have a couple of bets on Zavite a few months ago, but the horse was looking for a sound surface, and not getting it.
March 10, 2010 at 22:13 #281577Confirmed that Our Aqaleem has been put down as well.
March 10, 2010 at 22:26 #281580Devastated, Our Aqaleem would have won the Australian Cup on Saturday I feel.
This year’s Auckland Cup was the worst in living memory. Many agree with me.
The only two horses I could see appearing in a Melbourne Cup were Zavite (again) and Passchendaele. One of them didn’t even run. Spin Around ran last year, but he isn’t the same horse.
The Adelaide Cup is also not a class race anymore, it has been downgraded from Group 1 status quite rightly and really it is probably of a Group 3 level.
The Sydney Cup is probably the only two mile race in Australia which could have any relevance to the Cup, and usually runners there are outclassed in a Melbourne Cup. There are exceptions though – Master O’Reilly has run 4th in two Melbourne Cups, and he finished closer to last than first in the Sydney Cup. Same with Newport, he finished a long last in the Sydney Cup yet has been 10th beaten 5L both times in the Melbourne Cup.
They are different styles of races, the Melbourne Cup requires more a 2800m horse.
In the last couple of years one of the better guides has been the Brisbane Cup, which is a hard run 2400m handicap.
Viewed won by 8L on a bog track in 2008, we’ve all seen what he’s done since.
Last year, Scenic Shot won the Cup with 60kg. While he didn’t embark on a Melbourne Cup mission (and he failed in it when he wasn’t going half as well) he ran 5th in the Cox Plate and won the Mackinnon Stakes.
March 10, 2010 at 23:19 #281589The AJC Derby’s all over provided Bart runs Faint Perfume, who’s sired by the horse who got my interest in Racing started. It’s great for Shamardal to have a filly of her quality already.
I think the Randwick Guineas field is shocking for a Group 1 mile race. Manhattan Rain should have stayed in training for this opportunity.
Some of those horses with those ratings shouldn’t be allowed to run.
March 13, 2010 at 07:39 #282024I quite like my portfolio at the moment, so I’ll publish it before it gets ruined:-
£13 @ 100 Rebel Raider
£7.30 @ 100 Hume
£10 @ 100 Dream Journey
£7.57 @ 202.64 Moatize
£7.75 @ 160 Naval Escort
£46.39 totalMoatize
just came 3rd in the Australian Cup, so I just need Bart to keep him injury-free for the next 8 months. I’d have thought that is a 11/4 chance.
March 13, 2010 at 08:10 #282027From a Melbourne Cup point today:
Shoot Out won the Randwick Guineas – may go to the AJC Derby, as he’s a High Chaparral, but I reckon Cox Plate would be the spring aim.
Rock Classic won the Australian Guineas (upsetting hot favourite Denman for Bart), I can’t see him heading that way, he looks more a sprinter-miler type, could possibly stretch to 2000m. Very promising though.
Zipping finally won a Group 1 at 8yo (after placing in two Cox Plates and running 4th in two Melbourne Cups). He beat Sirmione, who is no 3200m horse.
There were four brilliant Melbourne Cup runs, if you can have brilliant Melbourne Cup runs in March.
First was Moatize, who flew home in the Australian Cup and is now headed to Sydney for possibly the Ranvet, the BMW and the Sydney Cup. As you said Gerald, the only query is whether Bart can keep him injury-free. He should.
Second was Precedence, who I declared a certainty for the Sydney Cup before I saw Moatize’s run. He’s been gelded since his last campaign (where he showed promise but he was inconsistent). He’s a Zabeel, and he’ll run 3200m. And he’s trained by the master, Bart Cummings. His 7 length win over 2000m was scintillating, his turn of foot extraordinary.
Third was Linton, who ran 3rd in the Australian Guineas. It is only his first preparation, and he should improve as the distances increase. He flew home out wide at Flemington, and he has plenty of scope. He is now equal favourite for the Cup with Sportingbet.
Fourth was a lightly raced Zabeel 3yo named Zabrasive, who flew home in the Randwick Guineas. He is one of the nominal tips for the AJC Derby, and he is one you have to keep a big eye on.
March 13, 2010 at 09:11 #282030I think I backed Precedence when he blew out in some race a few months ago.
Going back to Moatize, I’m rather hoping he was too close to the Irish pace in the 2008 race, and that is why he faded to 6th . . .
Do you think Linton will actually run in the 2010 Melbourne Cup? I’d have thought he would, but I read something a couple of weeks ago that created doubt.
edit: I’ve just taken a precipitate plunge. I know Linton is running in the Cup, but I don’t know whether it is 2010 or 2011.
£13.93 @ 36.87 Saver.March 13, 2010 at 09:30 #282038Yeah the question is whether he goes for 2010 or 2011.
Just a word of warning – when they bought C’est La Guerre, they kept saying he wouldn’t be aimed at the 2008 Cup, that it was all preparation for 2009.
However, he ended up in the race, and ran an unlucky 3rd.
I’d be surprised if Linton wasn’t in the race, as he looks the most likely to end up at the race with Efficient. The other two Lloyd had aimed at the race last year won’t be running – well, C’est La Guerre might, but he’s back across the Tasman now. Zipping will most likely be retired at the end of this campaign.
You have to remember as well that Moatize had to qualify for 2008, he was pushed throughout that prep (and it was still effectively his first prep, as he started racing in February, ran in March, April, May, June, had a let up but came back to win a maiden in August, ran throughout September and October attempting to qualify, finally qualified 3 days before and I reckon he’d had enough).
If he had been in the 2009 race, he wouldn’t have won methinks. The pace was too slow. What he needs is to be further back than he was in 2008, but a similar sort of speed. It isn’t normally as slow as last year, but you never know.
P.S – Warringah had his first run today since his last in the Melbourne Cup. He ran 40 lengths last in a 2000m G3 at Randwick. Something’s not right there.
March 14, 2010 at 09:58 #282216AnonymousInactive- Total Posts 17716
The one horse I saw run yesterday in Melbourne that looks like a genuine future Cups type – Linton! Problem is everyone saw it.
March 16, 2010 at 07:01 #282706Meanwhile, trainer Brian Smith is confident promising stayer Hume can make a full recovery from a leg injury which threatens his racing future.
Hume, who was in work progressing towards the Brisbane winter carnival, sustained a tendon injury which will require a lengthy spell.
"It’s a strained tendon in his off-front leg but he should be able to race again," Smith said.
"I doubt he’ll be back for the spring and the longer we give him off the better."
The rising seven-year-old, who cost $22,000 at a Lloyd Williams dispersal sale, won the Group Three Tattersall’s Cup (2200m) at Eagle Farm in June.
The Zabeel gelding was then runner-up to Kiwi stayer Castle Heights in the Listed Grafton Cup (2350m) in July which opened the door for Smith to send him interstate for the spring.
Hume had two starts in Sydney, finishing sixth in the Group Two Hill Stakes (1900m) at Rosehill in September before failing on a heavy track when 15th to Speed Gifted in the Group One The Metropolitan (2400m) at Randwick in October.
Smith, who had Melbourne Cup dreams with Hume, sent him on to Victoria where he started three times.
His best effort was finishing second to subsequent Melbourne Cup winner Shocking in the Group Three Lexus Stakes over 2500m at Flemington, also in October.
Hume was sent home to spell for a winter campaign following his last-start fifth to Sterling Prince in the Group Three Queen Elizabeth Stakes (2500m) at Flemington in November.
March 16, 2010 at 13:57 #282824Bollox. £7 down the drain.
I did some trends etc at the weekend, and the winner came down to either Moatize, Hume or Extra Zero.
Thanks Andy, I might have missed that this week.
March 16, 2010 at 14:11 #282837Just to clarify, this is what I did to narrow the betfair and sportingbet markets down to those 3 horses:-
i) used the breeding stuff from page 1 or so, dosage, CMP and dam’s GSV.
ii) chucked those who haven’t qualified with a 2300m+ performance since 1 Aug 2008, to narrow it down to a "sensible" bet. [Haven’t done any research yet as to when MC winners qualified.]
iii) chucked those with too high a rating or too low a rating – the Goldilocks criterion.March 17, 2010 at 18:10 #283374It has been announced today that Rite Of Passage will be set for the Melbourne Cup.
Price has been smashed all the way down to 20, and I didn’t get any of it.
Did you?
March 17, 2010 at 20:05 #283408Here’s the quote from the Telegraph site:
2.35pm Rite of Passage, the favourite who came in third in the Novices Hurdle, is a Melbourne Cup possible, says trainer Dermot Weld. "He’s now more likely to have a Flat campaign, and you would hope by the end of the year he might make his way Down Under."
Trainerspeak.
I’ll look for other stuff tomorrow, if I’ve got the energy.
March 17, 2010 at 22:33 #283449Their was words did Dermot Weld Fancy a hurdling career with this horse at all?
Jockey didn’t do himself any favour’s losing his possy but was well beaten in the end.
Thought he would go well.
Think the Ascot Gold Cup is likely this year
March 20, 2010 at 09:16 #284218Any of these horses could easily stretch out to an Australian 2 miles, but it is a bit of a guess which one. Not sure I had Ajhar amongst the list of horses that had emigrated.
Saturday, 20 March 2010
By Mark RyanFanjura
, one of three imported horses purchased in England by the Lee Freedman stable, made an impressive Australian debut at Caulfield on Saturday.
The Marju five-year-old, raced by the Ball and Chain Syndicate and other stable clients and syndicates, had won four races from 13 starts in the United Kingdom including three straight around 2000m at Sandown (twice) and Ascot last July-August.
The gelding was resuming in the Rokk Ebony Hcp (1700m) and stable manager Sam Pritchard-Gordon said the stable didn’t really know what to expect.
"He was an unknown quantity and first-up over 1700 metres you couldn’t really tip him to the owners but than again he had the form around him and it was a great ride by Ben Melham," he said.
"He’s a tough horse and he’s kept on improving with age.
"His first preparation for us is just getting to know the horse and what he can do.
"He’s a work in progress but I think he’ll get 2400 metres here."
Fanjura ($9.50) settled fifth and drifted back to seventh of the nine runners but was too good scoring by a length from Laspiel with Raffaello third.
Pritchard-Gordon said that the stable purchased six horses for the Ball And Chain Syndicate in 2008 but spent around the same amount on the three last year, the others being Ajhar and Above Average.
One of the first wave of those horses was Timetable who ran sixth in the same race on Saturday.
"Timetable had a Timeform rating of 75 to 78 whereas these horses have Timeform ratings in excess of 95," Pritchard-Gordon said.
"Had we not bought them they probably have been bought to go to the Dubai racing carnival."
Pritchard-Gordon said the stable would see how Fanjura pulled up before deciding whether to push on with him to the Group Three Easter Cup (2000m) at Caulfield on April 3.
March 21, 2010 at 18:23 #284686Result of the 1m7f G2 Hanshin Daishoten (Turf):-
http://www.racingpost.com/horses/result … &popup=yes
Doesn’t seem to be too much to be gleaned here. Winner was a 8yo, and there weren’t any runners from the two trainers that have been pinpointed.
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