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At this stage, regardless of interests in Monaco Consul and Shocking, I would love to see So You Think do it.
Well done Americain backers. Exploded away.
Now how did that horse not win a G1 in America with that turn of foot?
Found a story already regarding Americains victory, it says he was ridden by Patrick Bartley, something amiss there
Well done Americain backers. Exploded away.
Now how did that horse not win a G1 in America with that turn of foot?
Tough to find a G1 that’s long enough for him!
Figures he’s a Dynaformer, they can run all day.
Fantastic win by perhaps my favorite active jock. He’s always been the best jockey in Hong Kong when he tries (notably, he shook his head when describing the lower classed horses he had to ride there as "goats"). But class jock and what a horse.
Mr Medici hit the lead for a short moment right after straightening but didn’t get the distance. Back to 12f for him, unless there’s a nice 15f or something race for him somewhere.
Not hard to work out So You Think never ran the whole of the 3200m out. Class takes a horse a long way – it took him into 3rd. The highest of praise should go to all involved for running him. No "nonsense" like we see in Britain.
In other news, Zipping ran a great trial for the Sandown Classic.
None of the top 3 are likely to run in that. And he should "just win" that again. Not comments you can put regarding this race!Holberg sat wide all the way with not a lot of cover. Maybe the Racenet video where the comment was made of "Frankie 9 Wide Dettori" wasn’t far off the mark.
Harris Tweed ran how Harris Tweed does.
And after Mangihar you’re getting near the "beat so far" stage.
As for the wonderful winner, Americain, he might just be a different horse in Australia. I wonder if he will stay there? There aren’t many staying races in Australia, but you never know with these things. I suppose he can come back to Europe and win Group races at 2m.
Given the way he floundered in America it was curious to hear that Americain’s connections now plan on running him in the Melbourne Cup where he’ll meet similar conditions. True, the ground will likely be slower down under than in the states as they aim to provide dead ground through watering at major Australian tracks. The distance will be more suitable too. But he’ll still have to cope with a sprint finish off a moderate early pace and that doesn’t look to be something he’s too good at judged by his physique and form.
That was the rather popular Nick Mordin’s view after his G2 win at Deauville. I more than shared it… maybe like that other thread of mine suggests, there’s only so far a horse can be beat before you start to disregard it in relation to previous known ability.Did someone say somewhere that Dynaformers’ get better with age? [yes, found it on the bloodstock section]. Which other sires did well in the race?..from memory I think Malukyday [sp] is a Zabeel.
I think Mosse mentioned an Arc. Some horse! He even looked the perfect champion. He was my first pick, but I lost half on other bets in the race – including Holberg!
Having got those prices inadvertently, I became obsessed with H, to the detriment of putting more on Americain.
I got the impression from the prices that the Aussie racing folk had been impressed by Americain’s run in the Caulfield. I’ve just read the RP write-up, and I’ve nver read of a horse finding so much trouble, still less getting out of it to win. I must look if its up on YouTube yet.
I got the impression from the prices that the Aussie racing folk had been impressed by Americain’s run in the Caulfield. I’ve just read the RP write-up, and I’ve nver read of a horse finding so much trouble, still less getting out of it to win. I must look if its up on YouTube yet.
The Geelong Cup, and honestly he didn’t endure a horror run. He got a very cushy run in transit, and the only thing was that he had to wait until around the furlong or a bit before to get a gap, and he showed a nice turn of foot to win it comfortably.
Mosse won his Arc around 20 years ago… apparently some commentator on Sky was harping about how he wasn’t "experienced" enough with big fields to win a Cup. Hilarious… he’s won 2 Japan Cups, a Dubai Duty Free, a St. James Palace Stakes, every G1 in Hong Kong (yes, every single one including domestic G1s, some of them several times of course), 2 French Derbies, 5 French Oaks, 3 French 2000 Guineas, a French 1000 Guineas, an Arc… most of the French races really. Throw in a Breeders’ Cup Juvenile.
How on earth could one of Rupert’s Finest have said something so stupid? I know Mosse has been around at the top level for a long time. And why would the top French trainer today use him, if he weren’t one of the very best? He came across as a top man in his speech and demeanour, didn’t he? Incidentally, is there an acute accent on the ‘e’ of his name? People are pronouncing that way.
I wait for Nick Mordin’s blog with keen anticipation, but when he expressed those doubts about Americain, my antennas began twitching.
I don’t mean, of course, that he deliberately sought to put his readers off the track, but that, though he only expressed it tentatively, I thought it likely to ensure a better price.
I think ‘reading’ tipsters and their fancies is an art in itself. Certainly not an exact science! Or one that that they are necessarily more adept at with regard to themselves, than others are concerning them. Self knowledge in every context isn’t guaranteed in any of us, is it? It’s possible that we may be better able to judge when they’re wrong, than they are, on occasions.
So, somebody with the authority of Mordin expresses a negative opinion about a horse only tentatively, I tend to take the opposite position automatically, since it seems to me that, unless he clearly speaks "ex cathedra", so to speak, he’s musing and is at least as likely to be wrong as he is right. Of course, he’s not exempt from getting his strong fancies wrong. Who is in racing? Who ever could be?
It was made on the Australian Sky network which makes it a bit more understandable… but not by much. And there is an accent on his name.
The owner, Dato Tan Chin Nam, said: "I would say there is a good chance he could be retired now."
Disappointing. This is a superstar who might be good enough to clean up in the biggest races in the world… that’s one thing about the Australians and Bart Cummings. They don’t often like to travel and live a bit in their own little world down there. SYT has been described as perhaps the most brilliant horse Australia has produced in the last 40 or so years, and it’s a real shame that we might not see him run again.This reminds me of an interview with former champion jockey Shane Dye.
"We are very focused on us. Our horses are the best, our jockeys the best. I’ve got something to tell everyone: our jockeys are not the best nor are our horses. It’s a great place to live and to ride and we do have great jockeys and horses. But not as good as Australians think.
Coincidentally… "A bloke like Gerald Mosse would be better than any jockey in Australia. Christophe Soumillon is another better than anyone here. Mosse is an absolute genius. Just goes out there and rides the horse. He doesn’t make mistakes in big races."On reading tipsters, you’re right. You just have to find out if what is being said makes sense to you or not. Mordin substantiates some points, and doesn’t do so for others. Also, I’d think he would’ve have been singing a different tune after the swift burst of speed Americain showed in the Geelong.
I must say it did put me off Americain slightly having a French jockey, but only because I’m a great believer in a jockey knowing a course really well [eg Graham Lee at Wetherby compared to Barry Geraghty]. Having said that, I really fancied Holberg thinking that Dettori knew the track [my logic goes out the window sometimes]. My Australian friend Kevin [g’day..] didn’t fancy Americain because he had ‘no wet form’. He fancied Monaco Consul and Harris Tweed. Wonder if Malukyday might be the horse to take out of the race for next year? Only just beginning to understand the achievement of Makybe Diva in winning three Cups. Is her first foal in training yet, I wonder?
De Royer Dupre, 66, said Americain would head to Hong Kong for the $3.5 million Hong Kong Vase next month before returning home for a spell with the 2011 Melbourne Cup on his agenda.
If they retire SYT with, at this stage, a 3rd Cox Plate looking likely, well I can’t put into words my disappointment.
Only just beginning to understand the achievement of Makybe Diva in winning three Cups. Is her first foal in training yet, I wonder?
http://horseform.racingandsports.com.au … 93D55E8D22
Yes, two unplaced runs in Maiden’s so far.
It seems to be an Anglo characteristic. I couldn’t believe the way everyone was saying Lester was the greatest in the world.
And our TV people have that same mania – no offence, Ryan… we’re not talking about you – of more or less forcing the foreigners they interview to say:
"Yes, your country is the greatest in the world, and your Derby, Melbourne Cup, Wimbledon, bla, bla, are the greatest events in the world!" But it’s human; in the end, it’s a nice foible in the Aussies, as they’re just great people in a great country.
But I couldn’t help chortling to myself a little when the oh so patrician Royer-Dupre of that ilk and Mosse both tactfully and graciously circumnavigated around the questions of whether it was the greatest race ever, and winning it, the highlight of their lives.
But how do the French toffs, like R-D, manage to speak without noticeably moving their lips, as ours do. Surely he didn’t. You have to use the muscles in your face vigorously to speak French.
Yes, I would say Mosse was up there with them, but not necessarily better than the other real, top jockeys. The Americans have had some absolute giants, too – generally many more. I wouldn’t be surprised if there were a half a dozen Mosses there at the moment. It’s not a country, it’s a continent, isn’t it?
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"Mosse is an absolute genius. Just goes out there and rides the horse. He doesn’t make mistakes in big races."
Loved that remark of Mosse to the effect that at the finish he didn’t want to go too soon, so decided to take his time!!! Oh, to have ice in your veins like that.
I must say it did put me off Americain slightly having a French jockey, but only because I’m a great believer in a jockey knowing a course really well [eg Graham Lee at Wetherby compared to Barry Geraghty]. Having said that, I really fancied Holberg thinking that Dettori knew the track [my logic goes out the window sometimes]. My Australian friend Kevin [g’day..] didn’t fancy Americain because he had ‘no wet form’. He fancied Monaco Consul and Harris Tweed. Wonder if Malukyday might be the horse to take out of the race for next year? Only just beginning to understand the achievement of Makybe Diva in winning three Cups. Is her first foal in training yet, I wonder?
I tend to think the same. Why not get the local experts? Particularly for the idiosyncratic US tracks and general set-ups. But I suppose it’s one of those things that might make sense as a general rule, but there would be exceptions. With a really seasoned pro of the highest calibre, like Mosse available, it could constitute more of a risk getting a local – unless he’s a Shoemaker, Flores or the likes, couldn’t it? Why you favoured Frankie, perhaps.
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