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Rumours are abound that At First Sight and Mikhail Glinka have been bought by Australian connections to aim at the Melbourne Cup.
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Yes I know of one group that was thinking long and hard about At First Sight. If the sale has gone through I hope they wait till next year, especially with the Derby runner up who could probably use a decent break with the Spring sun on his back in a paddock Downunder.
Irish Stayers Sold To "Aust Interests"
International interest in the 150th Melbourne Cup "heightened with 2 of Ireland’s best young stayers sold to Australian interests," reported The Daily Telegraph. English Derby runner-up At First Sight & Royal Ascot winner Mikhail Glinka (both previously prepared by leading Irish trainer Aidan O’Brien) "have been bought & are expected to join a prominent Victorian stable". They are both currently 3YOs by northern hemisphere standards (but will be classified as 4YOs when they race in Australia in the Spring) & are "expected to arrive in Melbourne later this month", where they will spend 3 weeks in quarantine.* At First Sight (Galileo-Healing Music, by Bering) has an international rating of 116 from his 2nd (behind Workforce, currently the world’s highest-rated horse) in last month’s Gr1 English Derby (12 furlongs) at Epsom Downs.
* Mikhail Glinka (Galileo-Lady Karr, by Mark Of Esteem) is a last-start winner of the Gr3 Queen’s Vase (2 miles) at Royal Ascot (the colt’s 3rd win, to go with 3 placings, from 7 starts) & has an international rating of 110. The Queen’s Vase is the same race another O’Brien-trained horse Mahler won 3 years ago, before later finishing 3rd (behind Efficient) in the 2007 Gr1 Melbourne Cup.They’ll probably run this year.
Think about it, an Epsom Derby runner up with 50.5kg? Unbelievable!!!!
Should also say, if Lloyd Williams is the buyer as some have speculated, they have a ready made pacemaker for the likes of Mourayan and Alandi, as well as Linton.
Or if OTI is the buyer, a pacemaker for the likes of Bauer, Manighar, etc.
Pacemakers aren’t allowed in Australia, but thanks to his Derby run, it would be considered suspicious if he didn’t lead by a big margin.
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So they’ll be out of quarantine in mid August? That’s not my idea of a Melbourne Cup prep but hey I’ve never agreed with anything Lloyd does. Do you think more Oz 3yo’s would run in the Cup if it was held in the autumn? Sydney Cup stats don’t exactly suggest that would be the case. Why run a NH 3yo in the Cup in the autumn of their 3yo year? Cannot have either animal for the 2010 renewal. They’ll be lucky to make raceday in one piece anyway.
I’ve seen plenty of UK pacemakers fail to get anywhere near the leaders when racing Downunder. Different tempo, training and tactics, generally speaking, leads to some odd outcomes when horses reach Oz.
I just wish the Aussie owners would stop selling off the farm to Singapore and HK so we could again see a field of real depth and class.
If this is a reference to the selling of Australian bred horses to HK and Singapore – judged on how so few Australian bred horses sold to Singapore and HK turn up for their wfa Group 1 races at 1m 2f+, how is it making any difference?
One horses name sums up my idea about racing in Singapore – Jolie’s Shinju. She was Japanese bred as well… has she finished in that Myer Classic yet?
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No it includes NZ bred as well. Plenty bred in NZ with Aussie owners sold to HK every year. I should have included the Kiwis in my original statement anyway with such a vast number of Aussie champs being bred in NZ.
Out of the 14 runners in the 2009 HK Derby TEN were bred in Australia/NZ. In many Group races in HK more than 50% of the field is bred in Aus/NZ. In the 2006 Gr2 International Cup Trial five of the seven starters including the winner were Australian bred. I’ve barely scratched the surface yet.
If you don’t think that’s having an effect on races like the Cox Plate then we have little to discuss Jose. There’s a lot more to HK than the big International races where naturally the Aus/NZ influence drops off with the influx of overseas runners.
Who knows how successful any individual Aus/NZ bred horse would be in places like HK and Singapore if they raced on a variety of tracks instead of meeting after meeting on the same surface, travelling in the same direction.
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La De Two sure fits the bill for a future Cups horse. He’s with the great black hole of racehorse trainers though and we may never see him again let alone in Melbourne.
John Moore to confirm spring plans for Able One
Hong Kong trainer John Moore has suffered a blow to his spring aspirations, but still hopes to take part in this year’s Spring Racing Carnival.
Moore revealed to Just Horse Racing that he is no longer the trainer of Carthage, who is on the fourth line of betting in some early Melbourne Cup markets.
Carthage, who raced in Europe under the name Beheshtam and was a one time favourite for the Prix De L’Arc De Triomphe, was purchased by Hong Kong connections at the end of last year with the Melbourne Cup firmly in their sights.
However, it is highly unlikely that he will now be seen in Melbourne.
The loss of Carthage has also meant that Australian audiences will not see superstar Collection at Moonee Valley for the Cox Plate.
The owners of Carthage are also amongst the owners of Collection, winner of the 2009 Hong Kong Derby. Whilst Moore still trains the gelding, all overseas plans have now been put on hold.
Nevertheless, Moore may still be represented down under by dual Group 1 Champions Mile winner Able One.
Able One, a son of Cape Cross, has won nine of his 31 starts. While his best distance is 1600m, a tilt at the 2040m of the Cox Plate has not been ruled out by Moore.
“A decision on whether he makes the trip will be made this week,” Moore said.
No it includes NZ bred as well. Plenty bred in NZ with Aussie owners sold to HK every year. I should have included the Kiwis in my original statement anyway with such a vast number of Aussie champs being bred in NZ.
Out of the 14 runners in the 2009 HK Derby TEN were bred in Australia/NZ. In many Group races in HK more than 50% of the field is bred in Aus/NZ. In the 2006 Gr2 International Cup Trial five of the seven starters including the winner were Australian bred. I’ve barely scratched the surface yet.
If you don’t think that’s having an effect on races like the Cox Plate then we have little to discuss Jose. There’s a lot more to HK than the big International races where naturally the Aus/NZ influence drops off with the influx of overseas runners.
Who knows how successful any individual Aus/NZ bred horse would be in places like HK and Singapore if they raced on a variety of tracks instead of meeting after meeting on the same surface, travelling in the same direction.
Ok, I could go on a long winded reply about how horses who were Listed/Group 3 class in Britain are now Group 1 winners in Hong Kong, but I realise there is little point to that because your last point is true for any racehorse on the planet.
Australian/NZ bred horses trained in Hong Kong and Singapore at 1m and less are top class by International standards, and have beaten the world’s best. At 1m 2f+ only Vengeance Of Rain has been worthy of being placed in that category.
What do you think to the Mike De Kock trained Australian breds and his success – Musir, Raihana, Sun Classique – in comparison?
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I never said Australian horses racing in HK at 10f+ were world beaters. I think we both know that the Aussies lack depth in that area. It becomes obvious when a long queue of Aussie investors forms at the end of season European bloodstock sales looking for stayers/Cups horses. I have never doubted the quality ( especially 10f+ ) of European bloodstock.
I, like many others, think Mike De Kock is one of the top five trainers on the planet. He seems to improve stock from good yards. Of course Mike doesn’t always train those Aussie breds from the start. He gets many proven recruits from fellow Sth Africans for the Dubai season. Numerous Sth Africans have been attending the major sales in Oz for many years.
Many animals of similar quality and class to the mentioned De Kock trio, that are trained in Australia, will never get to the big International meetings in Dubai and HK. There are simply far too many well cashed up options for them at home. With those options lacking depth they’re easy pickings for top class animals.
Aussie/NZ stayers have proven themselves world class abroad over the years but when their depth is eroded season after season they have little to fall back on. Sadly the days of top class 12f horses like Strawberry Road, Horlicks, Balmerino, Better Loosen Up, Naturalism and others seem to be a thing of the past. Antipod breds on the world stage now seem to be stuck in the 1200-1800m bracket. A speed influenced breeding and racing program isn’t going to see things improve either.
RVL – Time tight for Japanese Cup runners
Brad Waters Monday, 5 July 2010
Racing Victoria says the Federal government has less than a fortnight to keep alive hopes of Japanese participation in this year’s 150th Melbourne Cup.Delta Blues and Pop Rock quinellaed the 2006 Melbourne Cup, but Japan has not been represented at the past three Melbourne Cups after an equine influenza outbreak caused tighter restrictions on the importation of Japanese horses.
RVL’s Leigh Jordon said the Gillard government has completed a review of the paperwork relating to three new pre-export quarantine facilities in Japan.
Jordon said representatives of the Australian Quarantine and Inspection Service are scheduled to travel to Japan to inspect the facilities in the next “10 to 14 days”, but any delay would significantly lessen any remaining chance of Japanese horses travelling to Melbourne for the spring.
“If it all takes place as scheduled, it is all looking positive,” Jordon said.
“But we do need the government to go to Japan in the next 10 to 14 days to conduct the inspections and hopefully approve the arrangements.
“The longer this goes, the more likely it is Japanese trainers would look elsewhere for other options to take their horses to and more chance we would lose runners.”
Meanwhile, Jordon reported an increased interest from European trainers wishing to have runners in the historic running of the Melbourne Cup.
Jordon will head to the UK on Tuesday to meet with interested connections at Newmarket’s July Cup meeting.
Don’t often look at the market. Was surprised to just discover it suspended on betfair.
Looks like Mourayan and Herculean Prince are dead???
Market could just be conveying garbage though, in its suspended state.
edit: Erm, just noticed that it is Herculean Prince at the bottom, whilst Herculian Prince is in normal place in market. Looks like someone made a typo sometime.
However, my bets are displaying I’ve got £12 @ 1 on Mourayan, so it looks like there is something wrong with this one.
Herculian Prince (definitely spelt that way) is alive and well. I spoke to the stable about him last week:
http://www.justhorseracing.com.au/news/australian-racing/waterhouse-preparing-for-caulfield-and-melbourne-cup/
As for Mourayan, I don’t know. I’d love to contact Lloyd Williams or Rob Hickmott, but that is much easier said than done.
He is still in the market, albeit at a pretty big price.
Just out of interest’s sake, a few possible Melbourne Cup horses will be making their reappearance this weekend – Precedence, Moatize (both for Bart) and Gorky Park (for David Hayes).
And Shoot Out is having a barrier trial this morning in anticipation for a reappearance in the Bletchingly Stakes (1200m) at Caulfield on July 31.
History is against him though – not one Australasian winner of the Cup in the last 20 years has reappeared in July. In fact, the earliest technically was Kingston Rule in 1990, who resumed on August 8.
Most don’t resume until the end of August or start of September.
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