2000 Guineas

Possibly. The fact Appleby ran native trail in the craven was a sign what might happen. The days of stablemates locking horns all season are a distant memory. Sir Henry did it regularly and we were treated to some great races.

I must admit when Native Trail was going down to the start, his high knee action was rather noticeable; and he’d be racing on a firm surface. Did that have an effect? On ITV today they did mention this, as well as him ‘running up in the air, and not going forward’.

I think he’s suited to an easier surface.

The ground wasn’t as much of an issue for Native Trail compared to where he was drawn. In my opinion if the draw was the other way around Native Trial would just about win on the day. It’ll probably be good to firm at the Curragh and he will probably win. Going forward Coroebus might improve more out of the two, but regarding this race that is my assessment of it.

Very sad that the draw affects the result so much. Makes reading the form so much harder going forward. There is also the ground to take into consideration. Good if not good good to firm with the top likely being kicked off with the dampness. Doubt it suited the second and third in the 2000 guineas or Tuesday or discoveries on Sunday If the front three turned up at ascot in the st james place or York for the dante I’ve no idea who would win.Why the bookies very rarely lose when there’s so many variables. Ground at the curragh today looked soft at best so god knows how you judge the form compared to Newmarket. I wouldn’t be surprised if a number of beaten horses over this whole weekend rock up next time at cracking odds and scoot up. Finding those is what makes you lots of dough. I’ll see if Hugh Taylor fancies a natter on line.🤣

Its amazing how ten folk can watch the same race and all see it differently. One of the greatest beauties of our great sport. On the day the best horse I think won which is not to say he will turn out to be the best horse. Same as the fillies I can see few in behind going on to be very good. So hard to gauge if they are vintage guineas. We will need to wait till the Sussex and champions day at ascot to find out. Could have the winner at the qe2,the second the champion stakes and possibly the third the arc.
The best miler last year didn’t even run in the guineas IMHO. Who knows another may emerge as good in the coming weeks.
The glorious uncertainty of racing

“Kinda reminds me of the 2010 2000 Guineas when Canford Cliffs’ customary finishing kick didn’t quite fully engage”

Canford Cliffs was 12/1 Sp for that Guineas. Just goes to show how unsettling he was prior to that race. Settled so well in his races after this one though

Hawk Wing was another beaten by the draw in the Guineas.

Good recall 👍 but the horse he went out on a limb on and said he had bet his house on, was ante post at around 7/4 favourite for a big race and think it disappointed and came in third – not even sure on that. I can’t remember the detail. It might have been a filly it might not but I think it was – Fist just went on an on and on about it like a man obsessed for some time and right up to the race.
Hawk Wing was the horse most loved by Salty Jack a clone gamble trailed for a year on another forum mainly, but looked for him here.

I found him eventually obviously under a different moniker on the Final Furlong forum. Hawk Wing was a big tell.