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Well this weekend we would have been enjoying the highs of 2000 Guineas action, which got my mind thinking back to 2000 Guineas of the recent history or so. Since 2008, who is your favourite Guineas winner? What is your top 3 Guineas performances since 2008? And not to forget the losers, who are some of your favourites to come out of a Guineas, even in defeat? I trawled through some of my databases for interest and came up with some snippets of information from past races, I was going to post some stats but the database only covers UK and Ireland so would be missing some international races.
But of the most interesting years was Night Of Thunders year. All races following the 2000 (should stress just UK and Ire stats) over a 365 day period produced 41 runs with 11 future winners, but more impressively that year with 9 group 1 winners in UK and Ireland. Kingman and Australia went on to win 3 group 1’s each with a Derby and a St James Palace Stakes to their honors. With 3 further group 1 winners n Charm Spirit, The Grey Gatsby and Kingston Hill. Sea The Stars (2009) and Henrythenavigator’s (2008) years also produced a lot of future winners at varying levels.
Of all the last decade or so runners though to have not won it, for me Canford Cliffs emerges certainly as one of if not the best in the time period not to win it, given his future endeavors. I was also fond of the 2008 year. Henrythenavigator emerged as a classy improved horse for his tilt at the 2000, narrowly beating champion 2yo New Approach and with Ravens Pass further back who would emerge for the rest of the season as a classy performer, between the three they were quite a trio.
Anyway what is your favourite Guineas moment in recent years, or go even farther back afield if you so wish and who is your favourite of 20 years or all time.
I must be blind, didn’t see there was basically a 2000 Guineas post
delete as necessaryI enjoyed the crop of 2008 aswell tbracing.
Was it against Curlin in the breeders cup that Raven Pass won with Henrythenavigator not far behind? and how did New Approach win the Derby.? Pulled Kevin Mannings arms out.
Cockney Rebel was about the poorest winner, would have been a penalty kick for Teofilo had he not been retired though injury over the winter.
Canford Cliffs was a much better horse than Dick Turpin and Makfi, he had a spell at the end of his 2 y/o campaign and begging of his 3 y/o campaign where he done everything wrong but ended up a beast after the 2000 Guineas.
Toronado didn’t run his race in his Guineas either, he did get his revenge on Dawn Approach in the Sussex stakes 3rd time lucky after going down in the St James Palace stakes to his rival in the closest of photo finishes.Gaelic Warrior Gold Cup Winner 2026
I was today recalling a nightmare journey hitch hiking back to Warwick university from Newmarket in 1982 after seeing Zino win the 2,000 Guineas.
It involved a car full of petrol pump drive off Scousers, an old boy with a penchant for running over rabbits in the name of Myxomatosis euthanasia, and a sound bunch of Asian lads in a van.
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It's the "Millwall FC" of Point broadcasts: "No One Likes Us - We Don't Care"Yeah that was the year, Nathan. I think, it was the first time they had laid the pro-ride, might have come before some can correct me on that. But the USA trainers called foul and said the Europeans had an unfair advantage. The pro-ride didn’t last long before the dirt was put back down.
I enjoyed 2009 crop, and the season in general. Most of the top table was a washout with O’Brien dominating the group 1s that year. A golden season.
I enjoyed the rivalry of Henrythenavigator and Raven’s Pass. RP didn’t give anywhere near best in the 2000, but he proved to be of real top quality. I was convinced early there was little between Raven’s Pass and Henrythenavigator, his defeat in the St James Palace stakes and the Sussex stakes were down to tactics for me. He was always held up to catch Henrythenavigator and under those tactics he could never get the better of him. He went on to win the Sussex stakes making all, then come the QEII I remember reading somewhere that week from Gosden they would be changing tactics for the QEII and not giving Henrythenavigator a lead. I thought the 3/1 that day was a gift. Tactics were changed and he got the better of Henrythenavigator. I didn’t go on to back him for the Breeders Turf but was happy got the QEII right.
And yes how did New Approach win that Derby, he absolutely ragged his way through that race. How he had a finish in him I will never know. There were some good 3yo’s that year. Conduit is one of my favourite of all time, winning the Leger. I got the 8/1 about him that day and couldn’t believe the price, he was anything but a surprise winner for me. I became enamored to him early on in his career, me and my partner hammered into him for what was a big bet then, when he won at Epsom on the 7th June. I remember it well as it was a day I left my partner 11 bets as I had to go to cricket that Saturday, came home to find 10 of them won. Needless to say I partied hard that day
It was interesting one as I expected Conduit to come forward a lot for his second run. I shouldn’t give away to many of my stats but here is an interesting one for Sir Michael Stoute. Going back to 2003, his 3yo’s when coming off a 100+ day break have a strike rate of 20.13%, 156 winners from 775 bets, at a loss of £97.95. But when you change that slightly to look at his 4yos, from 273 bets he has recorded 88 winners at 32.23% with a p/l of +£99.36. Last year produced a profit of +£14.88, 4 winners from 16 at 25%. 2018 was an under performing loss, but 2017 and 2016 produced strike rates of 33%+ with level stakes profits. So it simply seems he has his older horses fitter at the start of a campaign than his 3yo’s.
Pattern with his 2yos too, 2yo’s career runs 0, 10.88% at a huge loss. Having had 1 run, jumps to 24.69%, still at a losss, but interesting training patterns.
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