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Well your basis for your post seemed to be Australian horses are known for speed rather than stamina.The aussie middle distance horse or stayer has never raced in England, So you Think would be the first ex-aus horse to do so and he fared quite well! Many reasons,firstly the prizemoney is so good,Europe is a long long way to travel,and for inferior prizemoney,Australia concentrates more on racing rather then breeding hence there are a lot more horses gelded there;so no need to get a name for breeding duties.Australia breeds more sprinters because the races are well catered for there and it gives the owners a chance to get a timely return on their investment rather than waiting for a 4yo,they can get huge prizemoney and sales related bonus schemes for 2yo racing.
1) Just a relevant concept, Aus/NZ horse show more tendency in Speed than Stamina as Euro horse vice versa.
2) I take your point in the above, but how about Elvstroem, Victoria Derby and Caulfield Cup winner, 4th in Melbourne Cup, shows his best Northern Hemisphere Form in 1777m Dubai Duty Free and 1850M Prix Isaphan.
3) Large number of sprinters / those excel a mile or less is driven by huge demand in HK, Singapore, Macau……
4) Aus runner may think coming to Europe is a trip too far, how about Asia???
Presto
I think SYT can act in mile rather than 12F. AUS horses always have natural speed rather stamina!!!
Well SYT’s stamina wasnt too bad yesterday!!!! Go educate yourself about racing before making stupid comments it was 10f yesterday and the horse was going best on the line!
I NEVER say SYT cannot stay in 10F. My opinion is his speed side not yet exposed and will handle well as Aidan says.
Furthermore, the pace of yesterday tend to be normal rather than hot, which may not fully test the stamina of the runners. Winning 10F is not equal to stay 12F. Grandera won with powering finish in POW 2001, but ran very flat in KGVI!!!
Presto
I think SYT can act in mile rather than 12F. AUS horses always have natural speed rather stamina!!!
Just a curiosity question: any relationship between Jens Hirschberger and Andreas Schutz?
AIC
In my opinion, SYT is a better horse than Norhterly as he shows his power in various condition, although Northerly beat Grandera in Cox Plate, this Godolphin’s horse always a nervous runner, no matter in Aus or in HK, and not suit with short straight and sharp track. However, I take your point that Kingston Town is All Time Great in Aus as his consistency.
I would be a bit more prudent about what reflect from SYT’s Eclipse win for Aus/NZ middle distance horse. He is a truly special animal in Down Unders, and recall my memory of Vengeance Of Rain, as the latter Sheema Classic win. This can reflect they are very very good horse in their own right, but not equivalent that the standard of middle distance races are the same class as Euro, as Cape Of Good Hope’s win in Aus several years before doesn’t mean the Euro Sprinter is up to Aus standard.
Can’t believe people actually think SYT had improved fitness wise since Ascot. I never expected him too, and neither did I think he
had
to, to beat Workforce over 10f.
SYT settled better this time, had a smoother ride and maybe had a bit extra towards the end when needed as a result, but it still didn’t stop the horse hanging quite badly in behind WF and looking a very unlikely winner at one stage….
Full credit must go to Heffernan for pulling his mount out, gathering him up and driving him past Workforce, who ran a cracker.
SYT would be wise to steer clear of Workforce over 12f, as I think the the gallant loser today would still be running on at that same pace for another mile!
Sri Putra continues to run out of his skin once more, and the form looks solid.
I can’t see any different of fitness in SYT between POW and Eclipse, and the different are the pace and the tactic, which make the desirable result for SYT’s connection
Credit to Seamie for him holding the mount until two furlongs out, however, he almost makes an unwise move that try to squeeze out though the inside of Workforce that he will blocked by Ryan.
Slewman
The modified one is attached
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Hi Yaz, welcome to the thread. Out of interest what programme are you using to create the colours? I laboriously use the allertons site and then a combination of "paint" and "photoshop" for my records. Yours seems more straightforward? Though I notice the peaks are blank on yours as with the allertons versinon the BHB owners site.
Ivanjica
The sample I use is based on those used by Hong Kong Jockey Club, I adopted the plain silk and modified and edit by "photoimpact." The attachment I make is putting picture into Excel/word and type the words needed, then cap into a picture.Questionable stamina!!! came from behind WF and was going away! SYT will beat WF at 12f he is the better horse,though some people can never admit they are wrong! WF was very game in defeat though.
Admit I’m wrong ? I tipped So You Think to win (check the thread) and backed him accordingly. Yes, he won as I expected he would, but he beat a 12 furlong specialist (albeit a champion 12f specialist )in Workforce, who is palpably not the same horse over ten furlongs.
So You Think (with tongue hanging out Shergar style ) was ridden hard to pass Workforce and won by half a length. I don’t think the O’Brien horse had that much left in the tank as you seem to think.
O’Brien wouldn’t dare take Workforce on over a mile and a half. In fact, I’m certain he won’t.
I take your pt.
He is a little bit better than I expected, but show not much improvement from his Aus form.
No matter the commercial stallion factor/or stamina factor, Aidan wont risk this horse on 12f
I would venture otherwise. Ballydoyle have Treasure Beach, St. Nicholas Abbey and Await The Dawn for the Arc. Add in Seville and Recital if you want. Coolmore also have Pour Moi. That is probably why he won’t run, not because they are convinved he won’t stay.
So You Think has a lot of speed and Aidan will emphasise that because it suits his post-racing career too. However, he has enough class and stamina to get involved in an Arc as well.
Another key point must be mentioned: many Aus/NZ born runner drop back from their optimum distance in southern hemisphere. e.g. Starcraft and Elvstroem. Although So You Think may not follow their footstep, he would not go further than 10F to put his stallion value on risk. Aidan wording for his speed , ummm—Aus and NZ horses are born speed. From my observation in HK, drop back in distance for them is very adoptable.
Even the pace is not enough for Workforce
Even the ground is a bit quick for Workforce
Even Workforce came out a bit earlySo You Think is on upper hand and clear winner today!
But, running in the Arc is another matter, Giving 3Ibs to Americain(G2 stayer in Europe) is finishing third in Melbourne Cup is not a strong evidence to see he can stays well in the Arc.
The distance of Sri Putra beaten by SYT is not my concern, since the former never had a change to threaten the winner. The most important chance of SYT between POW and Eclipse is the tactic, not the form. Seamie adopted the way of typical Aussie/NZ/HK racing—sit behind the leader with cover. Unleash and see the daylight in 2F—made the best use of his limited stamina.
Fair enough Workforce is a 12f but Sandown is a stiff finish and was running away from him in the end not stopping. I see no reason why So You Think won’t put him in the place once again the only way he be beaten is if he doesn’t settle early on.
Seamus Heff should keep the ride….was so most confident and smarter in the saddle than Moore was in at Ascot. He obviously has the feel for the horse and deserves to keep the ride.
Personally, the only things can beat SYT in 10F is putting him into the stamina test as POW.
Seamie did what Steve Arnold in Australia: Settle the horse with cover, don’t let him to see the daylight until 2f out to fully utilize his dash and power.
Cox Plate looks next target from what was said, International also mentioned, if I was Cecil I’d be immediately putting him up against SO You Think at York, much easier to beat So You Think at 1m2f than Canford Cliffs at 1m.
Frankel? He is a bit far for 10F
Would be rather on Pour Moi or Baraan than these two in the Arc, exciting race but slow time for a 1m2f race.
SYT is not a Arc prospect, at least!
So you Think still did not settle for the first 3f…was struggling to get him restrained. Workforce has the complete run of the race…racing far out of a easy in fact farcical early pace.
Came and done him with the minimum of fuss….Good performance and put Workforce in his place.
The early pace is not enough for Workforce, who is a 12F horse
Snow Fairy not in her day, even in parade ring, compared with last year I seen in HK!
Great finishing race!
So You Think is the horse to beat in Euro 10F race, but Workforce is beaten with no disgrace!
Slewman
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Slewman
Hope this useful for you
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I am newbie from HK. I am very interested in the colour of the big race winners. And also, I always make the silk pictures. Here I attached one of them (Reliable Man-2011 French Derby Winner)for yours comment. Thanks.
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