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530 Mister ManannanThese records bug the hell out of me. It’s been a million years since a 5 year old won the CH, no 5 year old has ever won the QMCC.
did masterminded not win the QMCC aswell numnuts?
Thats what he was getting at I think
A stat should be used as a guide not a guarantee!
These records bug the hell out of me. It’s been a million years since a 5 year old won the CH, no 5 year old has ever won the QMCC.
A horse can be slow coming to himslef, an extra 2 furlongs can make a good horse into a wonder horse.
No two horses are the same and these stats are there to be shot at.
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5 yo CH last year katchit???????????????
It’s a good enough reason to lay a horse in my book, 2 hennessy winners in the gold cup in recent memory, usually short priced after winning hennessy.
Stats are stats, interpret them as you will. The dante stat is quite strong though.
Sans Frontieres is indeed the one to take out the race.
Ran on very well near the finish and looked like he may have a bit more pace over the extra 2f than Freemantle and Black Bear Island from first viewing.
One negative is that theres no money (other than at 100/1) queing up for him on Betfair. Have rumours emerged that he might not run?
I think Dante also rans have an abysmal record in the Derby, 0% i think unless it has improved a little since i lost interest.
According to person very close to me ( who is manager of a Coral shop), all the major bookmaking firms were forewarned that the GC were undertaking this procedure – and all managers of their shops were notified via letter.
However, where the problem arises, and unfairness of it all, if you like, is how do you determine ( apart from requesting id) the age of someone who to all intents and purposes look over eighteen ? They may, as some have, present you with false id. Then what?
Is the manager still culpable of "gross negligence", which is the term used in this case.
It’s not all black and white.
Should the bookmakers then offer some sort of their own ID card for self protection? Anyone looking under a certain age could apply in advance to get a card.
Can’t be interested in CH (Price); Redwood or Nehaam stick out, something tells me both are too good a price, same again with Cecils horse. Sans Frontiers has a reason to be this price after being walloped by Meehans (good horse?) but i can see it running a big race! Kite Wood looks too obvious. I’m stumped on this race looks a cracker on paper. Gone with Nehaam. Hope its a well run contest. GL all.
We should all write to Wm Hill HQ and tell them that if this turns out to be 100% accurate then we will never have a bet with their company again.
I thought you stopped Punting in 1990? Hardly going to miss your bets are they.
I am sure there must be more to this story!
A costly white elephant.
We don’t need any more AW tracks.
When they came in the standard of racing plummeted
Are you from planet mud and twigs.
Had the winner @16/1 last leg of an ill fated lucky 15 Nr 1st leg, So just double odds. doubled my outlay, so no complaints. Very impressed with the winner, only backed it because i couldn’t work out why it was in the race. Seen too many "wonder" horses to back short ones.
Hope so, i’m with Evasive, more because i can’t back any of the others except Sea of Stars. So that’ll be my 1-2.
Excellent reply Robert, but springy was here prior to redevelopment in September 04 according to the pundits at the time.
Paul what you say is probably correct but not everybody has the ability to distinguish between the facts and therefore unfortunately they choose the "bent" way of thinking. I am not trying to be awkward but racings profile in the general public’s eyes is very poor. Society has dumbed down a great deal in my lifetime so it will get worse. You could say why should racing raise its standards when all others are falling, i just think it would nice to at least appear to be doing something to modernise the sport, apart from after race music events. Why should Don’t Panic be allowed in the stalls again?
Maybe it should be void for betting purposes!
untill it’s problems stop or it is banned.
Clearly you are one of those who believes the sport is bent then. In which case why do you bother following it?
As you obviously think it is straight, What percentage of races has EVERY runner running to achieve its best finishing position, with EVERY jockey trying to do the same, with EVERY trainer placing them as to achieve their best running on that horses optimum preferences.
I think its totally bent IMO.
I love a mug punt thats why i bother, i enjoy picking my selections pitting my wit against the impossible. I’m a very confused pessimist
I went off track with my rant thanks for bothering to read it. Do i really need to list strange occurances that occur in racing. The endless list of repeat errors and limp smacks on the wrist. Trainers excuses that change after a coup come on. Jockeys that might as well be sat on backwards doing a crossword in some races.
I in no way meant to infer that there was anything shady in these 2 incidents. What was meaning is that as these type of events pile up on top of the more headline type it is more fuel for the fire for the the non racing public. Surely a gesture in cases like these would help change this type of opinon. Of course serious (successfull) action in the other cases would help even more.
Yup mister hardy certainly had me scratching my head.
His run at Newmarket behind Ancien Regime would more than enough to see him win, 7f on good to firm and I couldn’t believe I got 14.5 in the morning!
Hadn’t gone that far back saw sth in the form that was enough for me. Nice One!
The rule, as it stands, is perfectly clear – if a horse enters the stalls but fails to exit when they open it is deemed to have been under orders and is therefore a runner.
What needs changing?
Given that every horse is trained to enter and leave stalls, they may be considered an intrinsic part of a race. If they form part of a race (a view further bolstered by the fact that reluctant participants are required to retrain before being allowed to run again), then why should any horse be deemed a non-runner if they are unable to manage them sufficiently well?
If you want to go down this route, then any horse who can’t jump should be deemed a non-runner if they fall over hurdles or fences, habitual slow-starters should be deemed non-runners over sprint trips and anything ridden by Jamie Spencer should be deemed a non-runner because it will sit stone last until a furlong out.
Many of racing’s regulations leave a lot to be desired in terms of clarity and consistency in application. This one does not.
Fine no problem, keep the status quo keep the wonderfull rules which get flouted week in week out, the greyer the area better. Why improve this marvellous product that the vast majority of the general public mock because it is so BENT in their eyes. As long as those in the know have their snouts deep into the trough **** everybody else.
Doesn’t bother me i dont trust the sport enough to have large sums on. These occurrances just cement my feelings. The mental batttles are the fun part but when i thought i heard the trainer state on tv that the problem was over one would have expected somewhat more from the horse. I didn’t back either horse BTW!
