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mustaneer stoutes horse was well backed last run slowly away in race won by trade fair give this some time it will win several races came home strong when race was finished watch for this one
telemachaus was a horse to follow last year but dissappointed race after race nearly got there today .
3rd 20-1
1st 4-7
telemachus finally comes good wins 8-1 11-7-03
(Edited by spideymansbluff at 3:40 pm on April 28, 2003)<br>
(Edited by spideymansbluff at 10:40 pm on July 11, 2003)
zzas one to beat all your lot golden key m stoute horse his best 2 yo with high expectations:biggrin:
in one word hehe actually 2 the best 2 yo in my book
golden key-m stoute watch this horse this season:o
almire du lia is supposedly one of monteiths better horses it has taken a few runs for this horse to get the hang of things i backed it recently winning at 14-1 its out again today almire du lia 4.40 haydock
finished 2nd
(Edited by spideymansbluff at 5:39 pm on Mar. 29, 2003)
——————————————————————————–<br>thihn ran a blinder today on the wrong side of the track it looks likely to win soon take note.date of run 21-3-03
bit late this not been on here for a while but 2 wins late in the season 20-1 being best price
(Edited by spideymansbluff at 10:39 am on Dec. 12, 2003)
thihn ran a blinder today on the wrong side of the track it looks likely to win soon take note.date of run 21-3-03
this horse was given to me a while ago its called almure da liu something on that lines supposedly one of the best in monteiths stable it ran 3 stinkers in my book and it won the other day at 14-1 when placed in a handicap maybe one to watch.
this race belongs to one horse the rhinestone cowboy
they are playing for places to which several enter calculations possibly flame creek,rooster booster and copeland
mr rook im well aware that horses arent machines ive never suggested that did you read somewhere and horses also shouldnt be punished on their introductions or first few races just to get the dollars rolling in im simply stating that there is a seedier side to racing that wont disappear thats all there are valid points from several people on this thread<br>a horse can have an off day it can also be in its prime just like atheletes but the seedier side to the game is rather annoying when its blatent to see and the jockey club do nothing to intervene i love the racing game from a punters point of view i would love to be an owner,the animals themselves are beautiful intelligent creatures my daughter is involved with the everyday side i enjoy watching and being that close to these animals but i will always maintain and no one will remove this from me
where theres money theres crooks making a buck or two:o
alsoran can you tell me if you think racing is totally straight slightly bent/crooked/etc or entirely bent i hear what you are saying in your post but i know first hand it aint straight i know you do as does everyone else its plain to see if a horse ran to its merits all the time it would end up in the handicappers grip and the rating would make that particular horse unraceable going on about boreas race not every race is fixed bent crooked etc etc what we are saying some are ,horses in some races arent running on their merits until the time is right thats a fact despite the rule all horses must run to their merits .
where theres money theres cheating
i get your point a play on words i think ok partly totally crooked is that a little better im not the smartest button;) ;) ;)  but in some ways it is  in some slightly around about way you bend the truth a bit to get that handicap rating down maybe run it to get the horse fit;) ;)  i think you know where im coming from id better explain myself in the future to you so in some ways yes it is totally bent in some respects but i get your point<br>:grouphug: mr alsoran you can have a conversation argument discussion anytime i can admit my wording was wrongly put thats why im not einstein just mr plain joe punter no problems i still think i have some valid points everyone is entitled to their point of view they all wont be the same.
(Edited by spideymansbluff at 11:28 pm on Oct. 19, 2002)
fair comment mr rook we all have our opinions i know not all racing is bent but there are those out there who cheat theres no doubts about that i wouldnt want a 2yr old to be floggged simply to win a race thats not what im saying all im saying is this old sport of racing it and has been proved time and time again that cheats are out there and it simply wont dissappear your points are valid and i agree with some of them but all i was doing is putting some of my thoughts and suggestions they may be wrong or right im not an expert and never will be as nobody out there is unless connected to the particular stable or connections nobody can solely pick winner after winner but it is frustrating old game yep your right various conditions are required and other factors come into things which we sometimes can only guess or predict but thats part of racing
im not saying all racing is bent but some of it sure is
here was my last post–<br>yes it is bent no horse always runs on its merits the trainer the owner etc have to make money for lesser horses this means bringing down its rating increasing its starting price and paying for the horses oats and also that backhander  i forgot to mention schooling getting the horse a run or a few runs to acclimatise whether for gates ,track ,hurdles etc etc many many factors we all know about but simply where theres a financial gain theres always going to be cheating im not saying everyones bent but i know of a few who are ive received info just like many others sometimes its good and sometimes its bad but we all know the story <br>this was from a similar thread i only made the above comment to show where my vote was cast.ive always maintained where theres money theres crooks at scams or plots to make more money some are slight benders from lets say the truth some take it a lot further for larger financial gains and that unfair advantage.<br>As for the rules ,any rules wont be effective if there not acted on or taken to the letter of the law the recent tv programme has shown this i feel more stronghand tactics more enforcement is needed eg.hit the culprits where it hurts in the pockets by fines,suspension of racing and bans for life for serious offenders for jockeys not just the few so far but theres evidence already just because your a household name if your a cheat or caught doing it your punished as for trainers a similar penalty a ban from allowing runners for a certain period ,fines and a lifetime ban for serious or continuous<br>perpitraitors this is the problem here its brushed under the carpet ,also secuirity at certain race courses is a problem which needs to be tightened problems here is obviuosly financial but if the trainers/owners where made responsible for their own horses this would make a start to a serious problem surely stable lasses and lads posted beside there own horses might make a start to better secuirity i dont know just an idea im not from this side and not qualified to answer there are some rules which can be doctored up a bit but why o why is the jockey club full of upper class twats surely if youve belonged in the racing game have a knowledge of the game and had experience ie like ex trainers,punters,jockeys,corrspondents,bookmakers etctec these would make a better team a diverse range of knowledge more know how and get rid of this upper class heirachy that know didddlysquat just an idea again im full of them i dont know the answer but rules will always be broken despite changes to them a greater control mainly enforcement and removal of a heirachy will be a good start
cheating or corruption can never totally be removed from racing where money is cheating is
(Edited by spideymansbluff at 12:20 pm on Oct. 19, 2002)
