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I think he has improved too but not by much. Maybe 2lbs.
The Sri Putra argument is a bit of a fallacy. I would bear it in my mind but at the same time, wouldn’t read so much into it.
And I think he will improve again, and will continue to do so until he’s had his lot for the season, which may be in 2/3 races time.
Timeform has him up one at 134. Second best Eclipse performance in recent years.
O.K. I am not familiar with Timeform’s ratings but think they usually rate horses maybe 3-4 higher than the official handicapper.
What did Timeform give him for the Prince of Wales’ Stakes?
I think he has improved too but not by much. Maybe 2lbs.
The Sri Putra argument is a bit of a fallacy. I would bear it in my mind but at the same time, wouldn’t read so much into it.
And I think he will improve again, and will continue to do so until he’s had his lot for the season, which may be in 2/3 races time.
Himself – that is fair enough. The Arc would be a new test for So You Think, one he has not faced before. But I disagree. I think, based on what I’ve seen, stamina would not be an issue.
The key factor in this race was speed. Although both exhibit a high cruising speed, Workforce does not possess the same level of speed as So You Think; i.e. the requisite speed to see off a high class 10f horse.
Aidan O’Brien said after the race that So You Think essentially has a miler’s speed which he put to good use over the trip. When listing SYT’s potential targets for the rest of the season, it was very telling that he did not mention the Arc – and for good reason. The very reason I cited, I would venture.
Over ten furlongs, So You Think will prove a tough nut to crack. But should the Coolmore team chance their arm and send him to Longchamps, then here’s one old(ish) punter who’ll be laying the antipodean wonder all day long.
I would venture otherwise. Ballydoyle have Treasure Beach, St. Nicholas Abbey and Await The Dawn for the Arc. Add in Seville and Recital if you want. Coolmore also have Pour Moi. That is probably why he won’t run, not because they are convinved he won’t stay.
So You Think has a lot of speed and Aidan will emphasise that because it suits his post-racing career too. However, he has enough class and stamina to get involved in an Arc as well.
I’m the one who used the words, questionable stamina, when referring to So You Think.
Taken out of his comfort zone, and racing over a mile and a half in Group 1 company, his stamina would be fully tested. That is my opinion, and I’m sticking to it.
I think you’re bang on. Because a horse goes past another at ten furlongs does not mean it has more stamina it means it has more speed at the trip. In top class European races So You Think would be a ten furlong horse that can be effective at a mile and a mile and a half but a strongly run mile and a half would be a problem for him. If he goes over twelve furlongs I’d be running him on a sharp track. He has no chance in the Arc I’d be surprised to see him even go there.
There is a big difference in saying you think a horse won’t win and saying it has no chance. With regard to So You Think in the Arc, do you think you are being a little bit foolish with you’re last sentence there?
Also I’d like to correct you. So You Think not only had too much speed for Workforce over ten furlongs, he also had superior stamina.
Himself – that is fair enough. The Arc would be a new test for So You Think, one he has not faced before. But I disagree. I think, based on what I’ve seen, stamina would not be an issue.
I have So You Think running to 122 today. Its impossible to rate him MUCH higher unless you buy into Sri Putra running better than he ever has and given the number or runs he’s had in his career that is highly unlikely. Depends on what you rate Sri Putra I have him as a solid but exposed 114 horse.
So So You Think ran 122, Workforce 121, Sri Putra 114 and Snow Fairy 110?
The only one to run to form is Sri Putra according to you.
So You Think 4lbs below his best? Workforce 7lbs below his best? Snow Fairy 10lbs below her best?
Bit of a co-incidence that all the big guns ran so badly I think.
HAIL THE BEST HORSE IN THE WORLD "SO YOU THINK"
and he did it coming from behind, eased up on the line.PMSL – the only diffference between them was a few buckets of water on the course.
Given the fast ground and the distance both played against Workforce, SYT doesn’t even come out the best horse in the race.My goodness, another chancer. So an inability to deal with the ground and the distance makes Workforce a superior racehorse? Is it silly season on this forum today?
Mr Wilson badly exposed as a bit of a chancer here.
And there are some others who will be proven wrong in time.
Workforce needs a big field to be at his best, but even with that, I’m not sure if he’s good enough to beat So You Think over twelve furlongs. Certainly, So You Think had asserted by the line and looked the better stayer there.
Also, am I reading this right, So You Think has questionable stamina? Eh hello, he was third in a Melbourne Cup.
By all means question if he’s better over 10f than 12f (I certainly think he is) but questionable stamina? Are you for real?
Workforce DERBY/ARC winner! wins, the horse destroyed a field on his debut despite being about 30% fit.
So You Think, the Emerald dog, yet again will come up short at World Class level.
Ladbrokes "we took a £40k bet" Oh yeah mate, I’m sure you did, how can people not get £40 on with you then? this is just an excuse for you to get mug punters who think So You Think is the next Mill Reef, Sea Bird, Dancing Brave by going on odds on against Workforce.
Workforce is trainned by a better trainer
Workforce is faster
Workforce is classier
Workforce has more stamina
Workforce has had the perfect preperation
Workforce WINS"Call me a catch but the above is so full of sweeping generalisations and false assumptions that it can’t be taken seriously. If any racehorse turned up for a race, let alone a Group 3, 30% fit, they would be beaten a distance. Workforce was say 90% fit. The idea behind a prep is to put a horse fully spot on for later targets, not to take him from 30% fitness to 100%.
He did not destroy the field either. He scraped home from a mudlark giving him seven pounds. A satisfactory performance of course, but I seen no destructions.
I have not seen So You Think mentioned in the same sentence as those horses until now.
All six of your statements can be taken argued too. Both trainers are legends of the game, neither is superior. Workforce has no Group Ones over 10f, So You Think has 7, so I’m not sure Workforce is faster. Stamina, again debateable – has Workforce ever placed in a Melbourne Cup? Preperation? Unless, you know something the rest of us don’t, I can’t see how you can make a call on that.
Just to caution those backing Workforce. His form in small fields is open to question. The 5 runner Dante and 6 runner King George are his worst performances to date. I have not looked at his maiden, as it’s not really relevant to today, – I’m also sceptical about reading too much into the Dante – but the King George is what worries me. If you look at Derby and the Arc, he comes between horses and seems to enjoy racing like that. Could be one of those that requires cover and then likes to come through horses. His Brigadier Gerard is inconclusive in this sense.
