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Just a couple of questions to throw out there:-
How influential, or how much onus do you put on the sire of your broodmares when purchasing them ?
I do not belong to the TBA, is it worth joining in your opinion?
Willie Mullins turns his horses out and that`s how he lost Vautour the other week !!!!!
Moehat yes keeping horses in does increase the risk of wind problems, bedding whether be it straw, shavings or paper has dust, hay has dust, some horses crib bite, little bits of wood going down the throat does not help. Alot of trainers do turn out horses if they have enough ground, in the winter when the ground is like a paddy field that can be restrictive, and increase the risk of mud fever, or worse a horse damaging itself whilst trying to turn itself inside out bucking and kicking for fun.
In fact why did I ever get involved in this sport anyway I ask?….ha haWell some very interesting comments to read which is great.
Titus well done for your analysis, but I might of sent you in slightly the wrong direction, tongue ties can be used in some circumstances as prevention rather than cure, for instance -:
Some horses will get their tongue over the bit when racing, which leaves the pilot with very little steering an no brakes, not funny when your the pilot, tongue tie stops that
Some horses will swallow their tongue towards the end of the race, therefore restrict breathing, tongue tie stops that
Some trainers just use them to increase air flow, do you remember when every athlete, rugby player,and jockeys wore those funny straps on their noses to increase air flow, well same sort of thing really.
I think Tie back and hobdaying really tells you when the trainer knows he has a horse with wind problems, and the only real data is maybe in the NH sales catalogues where it must be listed if any of those operations have happened. that would be a massive task to collate that data.
As regards Sadlers Wells shall I phone Coolmore and tell the lads they must cease all breeding from Galileo,sorry couldnt help that one lolHi Diogenes, I liked Telescope alot, and I like your thinking, are you not a tadge worried that you might be overdoing Saddlers Wells and Northern dancer on both sides?
Very good question Steeplechasing, I agree with Obiwankenobi, you can only make sure the mares you have, or purchase, are free from wind problems, and try to make sure the dam of your mares are also free from problems. When I bought my mares I actually phoned the trainers of the dams as well, your be surprised how helpful they were about soundness, wind and characters, probably what I am saying in a long winded way is it pays to do your homework.
It would also be magnificent if there was a spreadsheet, by sire, of how many horses that have been produced, that have run in tongue straps, had a “tie back ” op or been Hobdayed, that really would put the cat amongst the pigeons.Obiwankenobi The best result of foal I have had so far is by Mountain High, lovely looking fellow, but when he races I will tell you if he is any good, a few years wait yet
Interesting Diogenes, thought you were describing me with your description of Dream Eater ha ha, personally I love horses that are over at the knee, have trained quite a few and they all stayed sound longer than any straight leg horse I have had.
Thanks Louise for the link to Irish Wells, the way that horse dishes his off fore I would not touch him , shame because I actually like him.
Now For Fast company, a stallion that ran 3 times in his life as a 2 year old then straight to stud, National Hunt sire ?? not for me thank you,
Le Fou again did not run many times, and also he did not run from April 2004 to October 2005 which was his last run where he finished last, so obviously has had some kind of issue, but well bred
Not trying to sound negative by the way, just my humble opinions, beauty is in the eye of the beholder and all that
I see Touch of Land has an interesting runner today at Clonmel maiden hurdle Cavallo GoldThis horse, Irish wells, announced this morning looks interesting
http://bloodstock.racingpost.com/news/bloodstock/irish-wells-moved-to-woodlands-stud/2194169/top/
I had not seen Touch Of Land before you mentioned him, he does look very interesting indeed, I, like you, Louise love to see a stallion that has proved his soundness and it`s seems very overlooked in this day and age. I suppose I am lucky that this is a great hobby for me in my senior years, I only have 2 mares and spend alot of my spare time watching, looking and choosing what I consider to be value for money, and will probably be totally wrong in the outcome, but as I say I am not doing this commercially.
I was at the Cheltenham open meeting last week watching the stallion parade, once horse stood right out to me, that was Dream Eater, what a compact tank of a horse, ran over 30 times, group one placed, won over £600,000 I liked him alotInteresting Louise, I totally agree with your summary of the sales ring, what`s hot at the time will always influence the final figure, what worries me at the same time is that owners / trainers have near on completely gone away from NH store horses to ex flat horses that are ready to run immediately, thats why I think the likes of Colin Bowe and Monbeg stables have switched to proving horses in the Point to Point world, but are their horses winnning points because they are very good, or are they winning because they are better trained, ie fitter, and ridden by top jocks ie JJ Codd
The German and French influence is here to stay in my opinionAnd another one for Willie Mullins yesterday at Goffs
Sayar, B, C, 3-y-o, Azamour — Seraya (Danehill)
From Aga Khan Studs S.C.
EUR 65,000
Harold Kirk/WP MullinsAuthorized is really showing some great signs if you look at his percentage of winners to runners, Gold well is another I really like .
Epicuris is very interesting 5th in the derby to Golden Horn trained by Mme C Head-Maarek and we know what an awful season she has had with a virus in her yard, this horse looks very talented to me.
Another 3 bought yesterday
Stratum, B, C, 3-y-o, Dansili — Lunar Phase (Galileo)
From The Castlebridge Consignment
GNS 160,000
Harold Kirk / WP MullinsLow Sun, B, C, 3-y-o, Champs Elysees — Winter Solstice (Unfuwain)
Juddmonte Farms
GNS 65,000
Harold Kirk / WP MullinEpicuris, B, G, 4-y-o, Rail Link — Argumentative (Observatory)
Juddmonte Farms
GNS 140,000
Harold Kirk / WP MullinsNo strangely they were bought at Tatts Autumn Horses-in-Training Sale 2016 1515
Dates: 24 – 27 Oct 2016 Sales Co: Tattersalls in Ireland…Mind you he does have 60 boxes to fill now4 more horses bought by Harold Kirk for Willie Mullins in the last few days
Glorious Legend, B, G, 3-y-o, Pour Moi — Endearing (Selkirk)
Contingency, B, F, 3-y-o, Champs Elysees — Cyclone Connie (Dr Devious)
Scarpeta, B, G, 3-y-o, Soldier Of Fortune — Sanada (Priolo)
Causey Arch, B, G, 3-y-o, Jeremy — Coill Cri (Shinko Forest)
What do we think?
Really nice debut over fences in my opinion, I think the Cheltenham Open Meeting will give alot more clues ie can he handle the track, can he handle the fences under pressure. Alot to look forward to with this horse and can`t wait personally. But then I never bet just like to see good horses progress
