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In all the respects that you shrewdly mention…yes it has been a success.
Its only a couple of dozen years ago that Aintree was a shabby track, the National a moderate handicap and the meeting a unstructured afterthought.
if you want the politics…think BHA, racinguk, turf tv and the sale of the tote.
if its just the race …then i dont see how the old way of things with half the field out of the handicap and the likes of Bobbyjoe arriving after an obscure hurdling campaign can be as more ‘competitive’. A number of horses who ran very well this year were only there because connections had to ensure a higher official mark. So not just the National but many other races also benefit
Moderate competitive racing has its place…but when you have something as wonderful as the National its worth striving for the best.
Finally take a look at the new grandstands the outstanding prize money, the daily sellout and the 200 odd countries taking the race and ask yourself again if its been a success.
You need to look at the handicapping of the Grand national within a broader picture and at the heart of a strategy to put the Aintree showpiece (UK’s only globally known jump race) back at the forefront of the season.
The handicapping is framed to allow a better class of horse to compete and is part of a group of measures;
Better prize money
Treatment of top weights
The Gold Cup was worth Â£182k less to the winner than the National (up Â£51k) this year and Aintree have stated they would like a Â£1m first prize within 10 years.
If they get Denman next year (or the year after maybe) for a prize of over Â£1/2 Million they will be a long way down the road. The structure of the handicap is an important part of this strategy and is unlikely to change.
Its been a big success after all.
My gut reaction was that Nicholls was protecting his jockey when he stoutly took the blame afterwarjds. He was similarly supportive when Ruby remounted Kauto after the Exeter fall and he ended up injured.
I do think Ruby is a bit too emotionally involved with Kauto, plenty of people got struck into Derek Thompson for his question which provoked Ruby’s anger after the Gold Cup. Thompson is indeed idiotic but to my eye Ruby took the anger into that interview and also took some of it out onto the track today.
He didn’t just want to win but wanted to win by 20 lengths by dominating for over a circuit (a la Denman?) and he ended up getting the best horse beaten. Although I backed Exotic Dancer I felt a bit of anger at Ruby and he looked fairly annoyed with himself right afterwards.
Most of these french breds dont last much past eight and it is not a great idea to treat them like that. A bad day at the office for the Champion trainer and jockey but they are both big men and will be wiser tonight.
I score that round 10-9 to yq21.
Keep it up chaps…some terrific informed and passionate discourse
A great example of why diverse opinion and the exchange of information is central to this fine sport.
Godolphin were not as foresighted as yourself and after his National Stakes victory Dubawi was definetly the stable number one.
RDLP’s chances of winning the Guineas (or even running in it are surely prejudiced by his current position in the pecking order)
Different ways to read a race I suppose…
for me the slow pace allowed RDLP to get closer to a superior horse than his ability merited, hence flattered (imho). The form with Lizard Island indicates that Rio ran pretty much to form at the Curragh.
In a true run race at HQ he was beaten 5.5 lengths (eased, good for 4 lengths). I also think the view that he was over the top is wide of the mark as he got to within a length of the leader Ravens Pass just over a furlong out. He didnt travel as he had in Ireland, at Longchamp or at Goodwood but this reflected that faster pace and stronger opposition.
looks just a tad below top class for me and Godolphin talking about France rather than Newmarket tends to back this up.
Interesting input on breeding Bulwark…I must admit my knowledge is only moderate in that department but i have spent a fair bit of time on Doasge profiles.
I know Dosage gets a really hard press in some quarters but its record in 3yo classics is excellent and in the 2000 Guineas exceptional.
Ravens Pass looked like a non stayer to me in the Dewhurst with another furlong just about the last thing he wanted. Dosage profile makes him the first horse to discard and it looked that way in the eye also.
Ooops, sorry…new on here and just realised there is another thread on 2000 on an earlier page.
Peeping Fawn may be as good as many mentioned above.
Whilst not of the very top echelon…Petrushka and Imagine were particular favourites.
Some interesting opinions, lots of knowledge and I have learned a bit reading through it all.
One thing I would say with absolute certainty though is that Neptunes Collonge does not hold the form down.I have followed this horses career from his days in France and I thought he had a really good chance to win today if the top two didn’t get home in the ground (or fell). This has been the first time imho since he came to race in this country that NC has had abolutely optimum conditions. I rated him about a stone above his official mark going into the GC. As it happened Denman at least saw it out fully.
I think the form is solid Denman is the best horse and that KS is best below 26 furlongs, but Denman could still be better at 3miles.
I was at Haydock for the Betfair Chase…fast pace 3 miles.
I felt that day that ED would have a lot more in his favour on Gold Cup day and could beat KS. The respective price meant ED was the only possible bet but, having said that, my confidence has diminished through the injury news since then.
To answer the original question .. Denman.
Trainers thoughts and comments are really useful …but rarely in regular columns such as PFN on Saturday. Comments immediately after the race when spirits and emotions are high/low are usually more illuminating.
The actual instances of a horse receiving the form book comment ‘quickened’ are very rare.
Professional racereaders are, for the most part, excellent and should be,in my view, the first port of call for form study. In other words read the results section first.
If Raceform, Timeform or RP says ‘quickened’ it almost certainly has.
‘Squillions’ of comments of this nature…is well wide of the mark.