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Twice Over
You get the full form of any horse for the whole of its career.
Results are accompanied by in running comments and an analysis by their race readers if you want that kind of thing.
Career stats are there also with runs wins and places on ground trip course etc.
There are limitations such as no indication of how the form of a particular race has worked out so you need to keep clicking on every horse name in a particular result to see how they have run since.
Also no collateral form tool which they keep promising.I’ve got used to it but only subscribe to the essential service as the top price membership is little more than a tipping service.
Try it for a month and then decide.
elcartero thers is a stats tab under each race but you have to be viewing on the pro card option and not the ordinary view
I do like the new format it is much brighter and set out well
I subscribe to members club but not the enhanced version which is just a tipping service
Not much has changed in that respect and although a few filters are available regards trainers, jockeys etc.there isn’t any more info available than previously
I have fedback on the horse stats regards distances being grouped together as this can be misleading.
I’m not after the current pedantic method of listing 1m, 1m 6y etc. a rounding up and down should suffice but to group distance runs such as 3m -3m 2f and list horse winning 3 times in that group is misleading.
Also I have partaken in a survey about a collateral form facility but as yet nothing has been developed.I’ve done Fabricate 14/1 but I confess to this being my 3rd bet on him this season, last time out won 5/1
Will like a bit softer ground but definitely has the stamina for this race.)Chestnut I have the 1997 book by Michael Church, dedicated to Phantom.
It gives a brief background to each winner and then a description of the race. Each year is covered by 2 pages, the second page gives details of the winner’s pedigree.
A lovely book but if you want a proper history of the race with historical facts probably not what you are seeking.
By the way I also have the new History of the St. Leger by Tony Barber, 495 pages including index and in large portrait format.
Not read it yet but it looks to be a thorough history of the race.Yet another reason why I still lament the demise of Raceform Update, It was posted to my house every weekand inside was a fairly detailed gallop report section.
Can’t say I can remember actually using it to land a coup but I did enjoy reading it.
I was at the track for 3 days this week as I’m an annual member. Yesterday we got heavy rain for about 1 hour from 11-30 ish but not enough to alter the ground dramatically, but they were cutting the top of it so where the good to firm in places was I’m not too sure.
I was surprised by the tactics on Muntaha, as steve has mentioned there was a front runner guaranteed. I backed Housesofparliament as I suspected it would be a true test of stamina which proved correct. Personally about 2f out I thought I was on the winner but it wasn’t to be.
The 3 days were excellent and that Doncaster Cup will stick in my memory for a long time, yes I got the winner at 5/1 then walked out of the members bar to see his odds down to 100/30.
Welcome to the sport urbanhermit
I remember when I first started buying a book by Mark Coton who was the original Pricewise
‘Value Betting’Very helpful especially in identifying races to bet in
Thanks for the advise thejudge1 and Joniblake and I will take heed. I get plenty of opportunity at the track as I’m a member at Doncaster but as I said left 2yo alone but been having too many bets in low class handicaps.
From now on I intend to see the season out properly.
Gonna do some research and initial judgements over rest of season and winter.
I’ll be quiet for a while, I don’t want to clog this thread up as there is some excellent discussion within it.
Thanks for the welcome
I’ve been delving into this thread for a week or son as I want to get more experience with 2yo form. This is something I have avoided in the past, I came back to this sport a couple of seasons ago. I have made a decision to avoid low class handicaps as I have been getting inconsistent and frustrating results in that sphere and next season want to see the summer out the way the season is structured around 3yo and the 2yo in readiness for the classics.
On that score I would appreciate a few pointers as to recognising a decent 2yo and evaluating maiden form as a decent horse can simply outclass its rivals despite trip and ground.
Yesterday I backed Blue Point but was tempted by Mokarris. Also at Sandown I had an EW on Majoris but that one was a no show.
Also do any of you use the Dosage Index to ascertain the staying ability of 2yo, or is this too simplistic?
