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Fair post Rich. I do think Al ferof is a good e/w shout, even at 11/2. That deal you mention means he needs to finish second, but if you go e/w he can finish third and you’d get slightly more than your money back at this point. Therefore this PP deal that people wait for isn’t all that. Also, taking a ‘finish 2nd to Sprinter Sacre’ would also mean more people not backing SS, and lessening the bookies liability on him if he wins. Therefore this so called special deal is garabage on two counts. For this post to make financial sense you’d obviously have to firmly believe he won’t be out of the first three, and i don’t think he will be. I just see no scenario where Al Ferof isn’t up there.
Hardly a garbage deal and I just cannot see your logic. If you want to back EW do it with PP. Al Ferof can finish third and you get paid for the place plus you get your win part back if Sprnter Sacre wins. What’s not to like about that ? I think you’re missing the point that the deal also applies to the win part of EW bets.
The PP deal only applies to win only bets.
And the win part of EW bets
Here are the conditions from their site.
Max refund: e100/£100 per customer.
Applies to bets placed on the Arkle Chase from 8am 28th February.
Applies to win
(and win part of each way)
single bets only placed before the start of the race.
The customer’s selection must run for the refund to apply.
Does not apply to extra markets.
Does not apply to Tote bets.
Fair post Rich. I do think Al ferof is a good e/w shout, even at 11/2. That deal you mention means he needs to finish second, but if you go e/w he can finish third and you’d get slightly more than your money back at this point. Therefore this PP deal that people wait for isn’t all that. Also, taking a ‘finish 2nd to Sprinter Sacre’ would also mean more people not backing SS, and lessening the bookies liability on him if he wins. Therefore this so called special deal is garabage on two counts. For this post to make financial sense you’d obviously have to firmly believe he won’t be out of the first three, and i don’t think he will be. I just see no scenario where Al Ferof isn’t up there.
Hardly a garbage deal and I just cannot see your logic. If you want to back EW do it with PP. Al Ferof can finish third and you get paid for the place plus you get your win part back if Sprnter Sacre wins. What’s not to like about that ? I think you’re missing the point that the deal also applies to the win part of EW bets.
BHA press announcement
I don’t have sky so subscribe to both RUK and ATR online. I don’t seem to have any problems with buffering although I don’t find the stream as smooth as ATR. Sometimes the picture tends to stop for a milli-second seems to be a lot when they are jumping fences for some reason. Don’t have same problem with ATR which is very smooth. If I had sky I think I would prefer to watch on the TV.
Yes, it is sad news. One of those trainers who I grew up during my interest in racing.
This is absolutely staggering. I can think of no other business that actually charges you to pay them!
Mike
All business’s that accept payments by card do charge in reality. If you buy a ticket for a concert they nearly always add a charge for paying by card. Other companies simply include the charge as part of their margins.
To paraphrase Voltaire:
"I disapprove of what you say, but I will defend to the death your right to say it."
I know this is away from the topic but everytime I hear people say this it gets me. Voltaire never said that. It was a quote in a book about Voltaire by Evelyn Beatrice Hall. The author was saying that was the sort of thing Voltaire would think. Voltaire never said it. Just a popular misconception.
Of course running a horse to make the most of the handicap system is not a crime. It appears though Zarkava,that you are accusing Murphy (and by implication his jockey) of deliberately stopping the horse. Now if you have the evidence of that why not just report it, with your evidence, to the BHA on their hotline ? The other alternative is to keep quiet and make use of your shrewd observation by backing them when you know they are going to win and retire on the fortune you will make.
What exactly is Ferdy Murphy doing with De Boitron. He is quite clearly a good ground, spring horse. To suggest that he’s been a non trier this season is ludicrous. Yes, he has raced twice on good ground this season but that has been on a mark 11lb higher than his highest winning rating so it’s not suprising he hasn’t won. Are you actually suggesting he should only race after February on good ground ? Running a horse when conditions aren’t right for it doesn’t mean it’s a non trier. Since he last won in April 2010 his handicap mark has risen 3 times from 126 to a high of 137 and only dropped once, that was to 135 for his race today. Hardly eveidence of a non trier.
Very strong words Zark and i don’t agree
About which bit?
He’s a criminal (IMHO), what do you expect? Him to give us straight, honest answers? That would be expecting far too much of a trainer.
Of course comments like this are pretty libelous. Putting IMHO after doesn’t alter that. His first duty is to the owners and maybe he and the owners just haven’t decided yet. They don’t have to declare until 10am on Fridayt so have done nothing wrong.
I’m not allowed to express an opinion? In this instance I couldn’t care less because there’s no ante-post market, but I find it disgusting that Nicky Henderson gets away with what he gets away with.
His first duty should be to the people that run the sport – the punters. Take away the punters and racing simply would not exist. Where do you think prize money comes from?
Of course you can express an opinion. However, if it is libelous he can sue. As I said, if he decided to sue you, saying it is merely your opinion wouldn’t help you one iota.
His first duty is to the owners, they are his customers and pay the bills. Without owners there would be no racing and I’m pretty certain they put as much, if not more, into the sport than punters. Prize money is made up of many factors not just the levy. What exactly has Henderson got away with here ? He doesn’t have to declare who will run until 10am Friday. That is why there is a final declaration stage 24 hours before the race. Are you going to have a go at all the other trainers who don’t decide to whether to run or not until the final declaration stage ?
He’s a criminal (IMHO), what do you expect? Him to give us straight, honest answers? That would be expecting far too much of a trainer.
Of course comments like this are pretty libelous. Putting IMHO after doesn’t alter that. His first duty is to the owners and maybe he and the owners just haven’t decided yet. They don’t have to declare until 10am on Fridayt so have done nothing wrong.
Even casinos have now started realise that dress codes have gone.
When I first went to casinos years ago you had to look reasonably smart. Nowadays almost anything goes. They have realised that to attract the young things have changed and they have to change with the times, like it or not.
I really don’t like sharing my racing experience with pissheads who don’t seem to be able to function without a glass of lager in their hand, with yobs who don’t have any other clothing except jeans and t-shirts, with stag parties in fancy dress and the obligatory 20-stone wally dressed as a jockey. So any rules that preserve the best enclosure for well-mannered people just interested in watching the racing are fine by me.
Personally I don’t like to share my racing experience with yobs who can’t function without a drink in their hand and have absolutely no interest in racing. That would account for a large number of those in their fancy attire who populate Royal Ascot. Dressing in fancy dresses and suits in no way means you are more well mannered than those who dress in jeans and a t-shirt.
What happens in France, Germany, US, Australia, Hong Kong, etc?
From what I remeber when I went to the Melbourne Cup a long time back it was anything goes.
About twenty years ago I went to the old racecourse in Singapore. They had a policy of no shorts. One enterprising lady had set up a table outside selling cheap trousers at $5 a time. She was raking in a fortune from the tourists who all turned up in shorts.
Listening to him on 5 Live this morning he only talked about ammending the penalties rather than changing the number of hits.
and there is no such thing as
true value
until the result is known
Are you achieving value betting? Well, if you’re in front, yes; if you’re behind, no…….if you’re in front, you’re getting value.
That is just wrong. If a bet is value it is value irespective of the result. Take poker as an example. In texas holdem if there are four cards to the flush with one to come the odds are around 4/1 of getting the flush. If the size of the pot means you are only getting 2/1 to call a bet you should fold because it is poor value. If you do fold and the flush completes you were still correct to fold. If you are getting 5/1 to call you should make the call because it is good value. Even if the flush doesn’t complete you were still correct to make the call and still had value. If someone offers you 4/5 to call heads on the toss of a coin you should decline because it is poor value as evens is the correct odds. Even if it does come down heads your decision was still correct as you didn’t have value. The fact it came down heads doesn’t change the fact that the odds offered were’t value. You may have 100 spins of the coin and back it at 4/5 for heads each time. It might come down heads many more times than it does tails and put you in front but that doesn’t alter the fact that you were still not getting value.
Of course as said with horse racing value is a matter of opinion and thats where the skill comes is, deciding if a bet is value or not.