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George nice of you to join in the thread but the EPL is over hyped I’m afraid and there are many teams that are always also rans just like in the SPL, Rangers or Celtic would finish in the top 10 easily and given the money that’s is available to them had they played in the EPL either or both would probably win it withing five years.
Grays , how did you ever win poster of the year?
whats the forum clock got to do with anything? are you TRF’s poster of the year happy with the clock and the general shape of the forum? if you are then carry on.
lets get back to the football now…
Do you think that if our game with Dundee Utd was psotponed that we may have head a better chance of beating Zenit? Dick Advocaat, Graham Roberts, almost all the ITV pundits and even Carlos Cuellar thinks we would have, surely they are better judges than ourselves?
We now have to play on Saturday and then on Monday and still a scottish cup final to play in as well as our final game against Aberdeen on the 22nd May, would any other team in world football be told to do this? I very much doubt it.
the football thread is not getting to me atall Friggo as I’m dealing with facts and I’m educating those that need to be, if it appears that it’s getting to me then from the horses mouth I can tell you it’s not, I’m over the moon with Rangers reaching a european final but there are those that want to try and rubbish it
IT WON’T HAPPEN
Grassy you are being unfair, Blackburn fans adored Fergie but his heart was with Rangers and he wanted back, it’s all about opinions but he’s had some great games for Scotland and people that know more than you or me have said so and he remains one of Scotlands finest players.
Himself, stop the crap talk, anti-football doesn’t even exist, a silly statement spouted from the mouth of a 20-year old Barcelona player (you know who I’m talking about) and everyone wants to use the phrase, football is all about winning and if something can be won without scoring goals in normal time then it all counts, Spiers is never a Rangers fan get real.
The ONLY team that stopped us in Europe were Zenit, well done to them but they were helped by the SPL, and that is Dick Advocaat the Zenit managers views (words to that effect).
it’s funny when I post truths that people feel hurt, you must have a problem with truth. jealousy is a bad thing, Rangers were at the party and thats what counts, we cannot win all the time but this was an opportunity missed thanks to the SPL.
Here is another fact that will hurt many,
A Graham Spiers article good? are you really serious? the man hates the club, but don’t let facts get in the way of a good story.
ALSO :-
RANGERS Football Club issued the following statement in light of incidents involving supporters in Manchester.
Martin Bain, chief executive, said:" The club has had discussions with Greater Manchester Police and Manchester City Council in view of incidents in the city last night.
"The police and council praised the behaviour of the overwhelming majority of Rangers fans and estimates suggest there could have been around 200,000 in the city yesterday.
"There was a tremendous atmosphere all around the city and the vast majority deserved credit for the way they behaved.
"The police and council have identified the failure of a big screen in the city as a key point in the evening. We are deeply disappointed that a small minority soured what was great carnival atmosphere and this is a view shared by our fans who travelled in unprecedented numbers to Manchester.
"We would like to thank everyone in Manchester who made such a great effort to welcome our fans to the city yesterday."
No probs Grassy, a player with he amount of european appearances (club record) as he has can’t be shÃte and he is also playing through the pain barrier at the moment, they guy is a legend and to say he is shite? well those kinda comments could only come from those that have a taste for the green side of the city and edinburgh for that matter
I’m off now to enjoy the rest of the party, still lots of bunting and parties going on over here and there’s a small game on Saturday to get ready for.
In no-one wants to talk about the football then maybe it’s best to lock the thread as some are making their own stuff up and it could get out of hand.
your choice!
Friggo I’m one of the the longest serving members if not the longest and my post count is not much for 8 years of service, I give quality not quantity which was my point.
There wasn’t any trouble between rival fans, the trouble was caused by a minority of Rangers fans amongst themselves. There has also been reports of other football fans joining the crowd but I’ll not go there.
Here are a few reports and quotes that you lot wouldn’t be able to get access too… (copied and pasted)
report 1
Last night on Piccadilly Approach about 2-3 minutes walk from the train station there were about a dozen or so Rangers fans, some girls, standing in front of the riot police arguing with them because they wanted to get passed them to make their way up the road to wherever they were going.
The riot police seemed to be charging every 5 minutes or so, beating up any people standing on the road, so I feared for these fans who were not being aggressive.
I took it upon myself to get on to the road and persuade the fans to move over to the pavement and find another route as I feared the police were about to charge. I managed to get all but one of the fans off the road and was still on the road persuading him to get to safety when the police charged us.
The guy I was standing with was beaten by the cops and I avoided being hit with a police batton by a whisker. A cop actually swung for me but I was sharp enough to avoid it and get myself to safety, I was very lucky. Once the riot police had come to a halt I spoke to one of them about what had just happened, explaining I was very nearly hit, his response was, “if you were on the road you deserved to be hit”. At this point I stopped trying to reason and took his identification number. I’m writing a letter of complaint to Manchester police. Some of the tactics they employed were unneccessary and over the top. Many Rangers fans were bang out of order last night but the policing was every bit as bad and added to the trouble. Many innocent bears got caught up in it.
report 2
We waited, very patiently i might add, until about 3 or 4 minutes to kickoff. Then the boos came.
It wasnt until after kickoff we were told (by text on the screen) that they werent getting the signal and were working on it.
Time went on with more boos until after 8pm where the words on the screen looked to say it wasnt going to happen and to head for the velodrome which was “5 minutes away”.The engineer then came up to try and explain the situation on the stage they had built with microphones. He was met was a barrage of abuse and boos. The first words out the mans mouth, with no word of a lie was “Shut up”.
However, what happened next utterly sickened me. The man got pelted with missles. Beer cans and most importantly, glass bottles of beer and wine! The bottles were shattering all over the stage sending glass flying everywhere. He was lucky to make it off stage to be honest.
This devided the fans. Those that were in a rage with the engineer and those (including myself) screaming at the scum throwers with words to the effect of giving our great club a bad name.We decided to leave for the velodrome as the big screen got turned off. People were smashing bottles as we left, jumping over things and stamping on the roofs of the buildings. We got out as soon as the crowd would let us and started what turned out to actually be a 40-50 minute brisk walk.
We got to the velodrome with 50 minutes of the game gone. The place had a **** atmosphere after everything that had happened. (big shoutout to the locals who were letting bears into their houses to watch the game on the way there. A nice touch).
After the game we headed back to the car, passing Piccadilly on the way. The whole road was glass….i mean completely glass, with railings ripped to shreads.
Even before the screen problem i could tell the place was full of wankers. Anyone who wanted to party rather than see the team. Someone pissed right next to me in a crowd of people, lobbing beer cans etc.
Simple fact was that due to how close to home the final was – any scumbag could jump in a car and head there. It wasnt your regular Rangers fans that you’d find at any other match.After such a good day, what a shithole of a night to top it off.
report 3 and probably the more interesting one (fill in the blanks)
Got this from another forum … a stewards point of view…. interesting reading……..
“Ive just got back from Manchester now. The firm i have just joined where doing event security for the game. Until we arrived this afternoon, we didnt realise that we where actually working on the fan parks in the city centre.
We got given high vis jackets then I was posted with 6 others to one of the gates at Picadilly Square Fan Park at around half 5. The crowds where unbelieveable, reminicent of Tacksim and Syntagma square for us, except in a much smaller area. Our job was to stop people entering with glass bottles. Bearing in mind this was my first ever shift, it was quite daunting. Alot of the people who i had to challenge for bottles where sound, had no objections because we provided plastic cups for them to enter their bottles in to. But there was alot of scum aswell, ***** out of their faces who had none of it. I asked one big feller to empty his bottle in to a cup, very politely, and i was told to *****. I then went over to him again, and he ***** me in the chest, i asked him again with a plastic cup in my hand for him and he threw me in to a fence. ***** this, i dont get paid enough for this ***** so i left him.
It was clear by then the sqaure was becoming dangerously overcrowded. Our gate was getting crushed, and we where pulled away by police for our own safety. We where moved further up to the entrance of the square, where barriers where accross preventing people from entering because it was too full. A lot of lads tried to get through, and the vast majority where sound about it and good natured with me. I had many a conversation with jocks when they noticed my scouse accent and realised i wasnt a manc. My advice to them was to find a pub before the rush, which went against what we where told to tell them which was to head for the fan park at the ground. I knew theyd have ***** there so i didnt tell them that. No problems whatsoever at this point.
Then about 20mins before kick off, an older scots feller came over to me and said hoow dangerously crowded it was in the square, he said “someone was going to get killed”, and thats why he left. He also said to me “mark my words, there will be a riot in there”. I had those suspicions myself. From my experience of Istanbul and Athens, you can tell when something is not right, and i definately sensed that then.
We then hit quarter to 8, and the square is rammed with Rangers fans, singing and watching the big screen for the adverts to end and the game to start. By 5 to 8, still no game. Then a supervisor gets it over his radio that they werent showing it. I couldnt believe it. My words to him where “there will be absolute ***** murder here, its ***** suicide”. Jocks where coming over asking us what was going on, and we had to tell them. They where understandabely ***** fumin. I tried to tell them that i totally agreed with them, and that it was a ***** disgrace. Some where sound with me, recognising it wasnt our fault as event stewards. But then as people started to twig on what was going on, it started getting nasty.
There was about 15 of us on this gate with a few police near by, and the scots where fuming with us. Coming over, pushing us, screaming in our faces. What could we do? I agreed with every word they said, id be ***** fuming aswell, but it had ***** all to do with us. Then it got quite serious, bottles where being thrown, passing just past my face and lads where getting really aggresive with us. It was then when our head office told us to pull out, and the police moved us down a side street. We where getting dogs abuse, bottles thrown down at us, everything. Obviously the fact we where in uniform attracted it.
Then our supervisor said they had to try and move us in to one of the portacabins back in the middle of the sqaure. We walked through as a group, through thousands of scots who where going crazy, throwing all kinds, screaming in our faces. We eventually had to take our jackets off and run. When we made it to this portacabin, all hell was going off around us. Riot police where coming from everywhere, and hundreds of rangers fans where charging them. Bus shelter where ripped down, and metal and wooden poles used as weapons to charge the police. The place was totally trashed. A bottle landed right next to me which had been thrown from someone. This went on for 3hours solid until 11 oclock. We had to take off all jackets and ties, and when it quietened down about half 11 we where able to make way to our coach at the GMex. Back at the coach we heard a Russian had been stabbed too.
you can believe what you want to believe but the last quote sickens me about the screen being turned off deliberately.
Don’t say I’m not good to you all, now does anyone actually want to talk about the game???
Oh my god – as they say, comparing race goers with football fans?
"A small minority of yobs were to blame for the violence which marred the UEFA Cup final in Manchester, according to police and council chiefs"
out of over 100,000 it’s not as bad as some make out, I don’t condone any trouble but some reports are absolutely nonsense.
the final has gone now, move on and highlight the good stuff – the football for those needed pointing in the right direction.
I sorted their clock Grassy, it wasn’t a problem
ofcourse there’s no justification for causing trouble but I say again it was bound to happen as the manchester police didn’t have a clue how big this was going to be, had Fiorentina had made the final they could’ve put up a few park benches and used a portable TV set – it would’ve been easier.
Rangers getting to the final was a shock to Uefa’s system and no-one was prepared for so many fans as we have, well over 100,000 in Manchester, Ibrox full with 10,000 being turned away.
What an occasion, you had to be there to understand it all
RIP Tommy Burns
but win the league fúck all MP (pardon the french), I hope we win the league we deserve it.
Rangers today cancelled an open bus tour of Glasgow as a mark of respect, no-one seems to have reported that, all I read is all this bad publicity, typical to say the least.
my condolences to Tommy’s family
Himself and Grays you both talk one load of shÃte without knowing the facts, it was a glorious occasion yet you two prefer to highlight any trouble that may have occured. The police were out of order in Manchester and they couldn’t handle over 100,000 Rangers fans that is the truth but again those less in the know will believe the press as usual.
The giant screen didn’t work and they couldn’t fix it (yet they can put a man on the moon), so the fans that paid good money to go to Manchester have every tight to be upset, there was bound to be some trouble after that, but if it were those nicey nicey celtic fans they’d have just turned around and said oh well **** happens…lol…yeah right dream on.
it was a fabulous occasion and nothing will tarnish that feeling from me.
As Grasshopper says "no-one likes us we don’t care"
Brilliant, I love it, great laughs lads.I’ll take a boring 0-0 right now and hope we win on penalties as it’s the winning that counts.
It was also good to see the ref at the Rangers Dundee Utd game admit AFTER he watched replays that he got two decisions wrong but in fact he was correct at the time as his view was blocked for the penalty and the linesman also told him the deflection came off a Dundee Utd player, had he given those two decisions without having concrete evidence to award them at the time then that would’ve been seen as cheating, refs only get the one call until we bring in live TV evidence at the trackside.
where were you all when Rangers were denied two penalties against Motherwell recently? or is it just those that celtic fans want disallowed that count? OH and that goal from Aberdeen against celtic in the last minute that was disallowed thus enabling celtic to get three points when it should’ve been one, Oh yes that’s right that one doesn’t count.
There was also the corner that wasn’t against Motherwell that lead to a celtic goal – forgot about that one too? also the offside goal that stood against Rangers in the recent old firm game, shall I go on? no why should I as those don’t count.
get a grip ffs and stop the moaning and give credit where it’s due, whatever happens we’ve had some season considering the mess we were in last year.
ps. their top striker Pogrebniak actually scored TWICE against Bayern, Corm, get it right please!"
Check all the results HERE :-
http://www.sportinglife.com/football/cu … p/results/
Notice that Zenit have only won two away games
I’m still luvin’ it!
Wrong Jim – It was Alan Brazil’s match report on Talksport
that’s even worse, he’s a Celtic man and is hurting really bad that Rangers have reached a european final, he was also one of the kids that was abused in the celtic sex scandal many years ago yet he still stick up for them.
ps. thanks for the PM’s it’s best I answer questions this way.
A message to the good citizens of Manchester : board up your windows and stay indoors should Rangers lose. That’s all I’m saying.
Oh I feel the hurt, I think it’s Celtic fans that have to be watched closely after defeats, remember referee Hugh Dallas’ windows being smashed after an old firm defeat to name just one.
also laughing my tits off at "boring and negative to watch" – fantastic stuff, I’ll post this on the Rangers forum along with all the other hurting Celtic fans phrases.
thank you.
ps. MP, next time you would like my attention could you please PM me as it would be better this way, it would stop others posting rubbish and spoiling the thread.
