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I see Neil Channing re-appeared last Wednesday and despite getting plenty of credit the first time, he did not follow up with his pro bookmaker comments here which of course received the nodding dog response from Angus McNae.
The channel should be re-named the RUK Bookmakers Channel and the Betting Lab is a sham unless they are going to tackle head on parasitic bookmakers who wont lay bets.
They are turning people and punters off the sport which should be positively thriving. If only we had a Tota/ Exchange monopoly run for the benefit of racing.
Anyone know if his fellow director from Bodugi, Michael Wilson (ex RUK) has been welcomed back to the fold as well?
I must say I have a total blind spot where this Wilson character is concerned, even though I have subscribed to RUK from the get go. Was he merely a voice over as opposed to presenter?
I found this presentation he did about Bodugi:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4hdSbK3J7JU
He doesn’t exactly come across as a passionate or finely tuned and slick presenter, so one wonders how he ever got to present for RUK?
It sounds like the business was set up on a whim and as such was doomed to certain failure.
I mean come on, "somewhere you can bet and interact socially" – term, anyone heard of Betfair???
The fact they appear to have left their gullible punters out of pocket is concerning and RUK really ought to reconsider using either of these two in the future.
http://www.qatarracingltd.com/about-us/the-team/?memberID=13
No mention of Bodugi
Ginger, yes, I think the fences have completely changed the race.
But those wooden cores (don’t know if you ever saw an undressed fence – I have a pic of Becher’s somewhere, will try to find it) made a huge difference. You simply had to be a good jumper to get round. Very occasionally you’d get a lucky one who made ‘the right mistakes’ and got away with it, but I’m talking about 1% of winners at most.
Doubtless there will have been winners who have been regarded as not the best of jumpers on park tracks, but you will find that when they saw those Aintree fences, they sharpened their acts up double quick.
Off course, some will still overjump, stumble, become unbalanced in some way and not complete. But in hitting the fences pretty low, all they’re doing now is brushing through loose spruce. I doubt the subsequent energy loss is any worse than that suffered by a horse who’s had to make the effort to put in a full, fence-clearing jump.
I’m in no doubt whatever it has massively changed the nature of the race.
Spot on.
Eddie the Shoe said this about the National – "Now the fences have been made easier, it’s a lot harder to sort out because bad jumpers can now win".
No better example of that than the last two winners but amazingly Eddie said it in 1998.
It’s certainly true now and I’m afraid Gingertipster is in cloud cuckoo land. You couldn’t fancy either of the last 2 winners before, during or after the race. It’s just a stamina test with jumping ability at an absolute minimum.
While pleased to see the wooden cores go, extremely sad and disappointed to see the fences so soft The race has lost all interest for me and while it was often called a lottery in the past when it wasn’t, it’s certainly the case now.
It is available now ( though not admittedly on a single channel), just adjust your volume switch.
There is no sport and no channel which does not produce carping criticism from the audience. Just be grateful you can watch every race through the day. When I started betting a dodgy sound relay was the best one could get, Saturdays apart.
This forum breeds serial grumblers.
With respect seepigeon that sounds as if it could come from someone who is on the gravytrain
While we’re used to RUK neglecting the horses both in the paddock and going to post even when covering only 1 meeting another good example of their poor performance was at Carlise yesterday.
After AP’s win in the final race we were told that is what the crowd wanted and had come for and that he would get a tremendous reception in the unsaddling enclosure but did we get to see any of this?
No, a few adverts and a round up from Tom & Mark in a box but not a sight of AP returning and his tremendous reception.
Compare this sort of crap coverage to what occurs in Australia & America. Couldn’t see them neglecting a record breaking jockey like that, could you? What was the excuse?I see micky mouse firm Corals are taking no chances – AP 3/1 but winning sport horse racing only 5/2
Must be to counteract any possible late run on Ryan if he happens to win the Derby, Arc, National etc.
Think you’re reading too much into it betlarge, who is/or is likely to have been backed for the award in the last few days? There is only one contender.
People would have backed him at any price, lay as much as you can at the lowest price you can is the motto.
RUK Betting Lab
I see this returned last night, hopefully they will have some good guests on it.
Neil Channing was a good guest, others not so like Nevison & Shinners from Skybet
I can’t understand why they haven’t had RUK’s very own columnist and blogger Tanya Stevenson on yet
As C4’s betting guru she is described on RUK’s website as a respected betting analyst who has an encyclopaedic knowledge of betting and knows the sport inside out
Surely a natural for RUK’s Betting Lab if ever I’ve heard one.As they had Clare from Corals on last night why didn’t Angus & James take the opportunity to ask him why his company wont lay 2 bananas to a banana?
I’m not too sure how much James Willoughby understands betting markets, he seems to consider what Kempton bookmakers provide as gospel and every horse that contracts must be strong in the market while every horse that lengthens must be weak.
Don’t know what steeplechasing has been watching these last 2 years if he thinks AP has deteriorated.
It’s little over 12 months since Mountain Tunes and there have been plenty of other instances since then.
His experience has kept him at the top of his game, look again today after 2 early setbacks and heavy fall, he bounced back in inspired fashion as usual.
He’s retiring at the right time for me and although giving 3 months notice isn’t ideal, he will cope and and it will bring some good publicity and interest to the sport.
Think he will also cope admirably without the riding after finishing on his own terms rather than it being forced on him.
Even worse was the amount of time Racing UK wasted on a mediocre all weather meeting at Cagnes, at the expense of Exeter.
How nice would it have been to see the horses in the paddock for an interesting veterans chase and bumper yet nothing from them.
In contrast no shortage of showing horses at Cagnes prior to their races that the vast majority of viewers had no interest in whatsoever.
Truly shocking coverage from a company that continues to disappoint.
They should remember their name – RACING UK
cormack, it depends on the interpretation of pulled up. Pulled up to me means taking your horse out of the race with no intention of continuing.
Think Chapman has gone a tiny bit over the top about the issue.
It’s just one race.A bit of sense from Outlaw Tom’s assistant trainer though
cormack, if the horse was knackered the stewards would not have endorsed the jockeys action, the horse was tired like thousands of others in the past that have continued to jump fences.
If you watch a recording of the race, the jockey looks behind him after jumping the second last and sees no one else his still going, he then eases down to pop the last but the horse immediately eases down himself and loses all momentum. A wise move by the jockey to not continue to immediately jump the fence, he thought about it and then decided to jump the fence.
He pulled up, knackered, before the last then spotted he was the only other finisher (behind the winner) so decided to jump the last after all. The horse was fine but not the brightest move to jump with a horse that five seconds earlier he’d considered too tired to finish the race.
You’re getting worse cormack, are you sure you’re involved in the right sport?
The horse was as tired as Outlaw Tom in a number of his races.
He did not pull it up because it was knackered, at least get the facts right.The jockey eased up on the horse going to the last because he knew there was nothing behind him, however this caused the horse to ease up and lose momentum, he did not have enough momentum to jump the fence and wisely aborted.
Safer for both horse and jockey to retrace steps and have another go.
I disagree with most of your post aaronizneez.
You state safety reasons for carrying a whip are a red herring and that a dangerous situation is more likely to occur due to whip use. Based on what? Are you an expert on the subject? I’m not, I prefer to listen to experts who know a lot more about the subject than me.
Maybe Ricky didn’t think Condon’s ride looked good unlike Aspell’s, Coleman’s, Kelly’s, Kirby’s, Havlins and hundreds more that have received undeserved bans.
As Pinza pointed out in his excellent post "Misuse is so rare as to be quite obvious, visually; and is easy to tackle, provided the guidelines are discretionary".
Doubt many would be up in arms if Condon received a few days ban, not because he hurt the horse but because it didn’t look good.
You state like betlarge that the sooner racing disappears from terrestrial tv the better. Most unlikely that racing’s crown jewels will disappear from terrestrial tv in the near future.
As for the BHA, not quite sure what they’re up to but have absolutely no confidence in them, it could be some of the personnel there are the problem and keep bringing bad publicity to the sport.
Doubt very much recent unjust bans to Kelly, Havlin, Coleman & Co will have any impact at all on how organisations such as Animal Aid view racing.Can’t help thinking a lot of these anti-whippers are too parochial in only being concerned about what occurs in Britain.
Is the only way you can gauge interest in an event by how much people are betting on it?
Not really but it’s a good guide for things like this, you can be sure if there was interest in it, bookmakers would be betting on it if there’s money to be made.
Even I was amazed though that not a penny piece had been wagered on it on Betfair.
The public have no interest in it, no one has discussed it with me but Mapletoft can’t stop waxing lyrical about it at every all weather meeting he covers. Completely OTT.It’s amazing the number of people with crystal balls, nearly all of them anti-whip.
betlarge says it was unthinkable smoking would be banned in pubs but highly likely whip use will be banned sometime in the future, when in 20? 50? 100 years? A pointless prediction.
Like Drone, I nearly fell off my chair laughing at cormack’s 20/23 year spread.
As ricky points out, none of these fortune tellers ever make any reference to other racing countries or the horse friendly cushioned whips we use here.
Will any of them be around to tell you "I told you so"? Must be very doubtful.
Interesting views from John Francome on ATR’s "Get In" on Friday.
He said use of the whip other than for corrective safety should be made an offence immediately,
arguing that if the whip was invented today and the BHA said they were considering introducing it so riders can beat their horses, the public would be appalled
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He went on to say that if you banned its use, in two weeks time people would have forgotten we ever used them to hit horses and wonder what all the fuss was about.
I have a sneaking feeling Francome may be correct on this. (Paricularly the bit in bold.)
The whip will be banned eventually, it’s an absolute given in this progressive day and age. It’s just a matter of how long.
Let’s be honest, if someone had said twenty years ago that smoking in your local would be illegal…
Mike
Don’t think Francome’s comments are that particularly edge cutting, which causes more illness or injury, smoking or a foam stick on horses? You can still smoke.
Are you with cormack, betlarge, that you’re quite content with horses jumping fences and open ditches, something that causes death and injury but are against a foam stick being used to encourage them, something that causes little injury if any to them?
How much drivel have you heard so far about the all weather duel between Morris & Kirby from Mapletoft, Weaver et al, especially at ATR but this "thriller" so far has failed to attract one penny of interest on the Betfair market and it appears not one bookmaker is betting on it according to oddschecker.
